the big picture of hiring...where you at ?

i believe it was CAL you were reading about.


theres been stuff going around that there ares upposed tob e huge retirement periods. an aa guy i know said there was no big vietnam retirement period or anything of that sort. he added that retirements are 300/yr typically and 500/yr on the rarely seen big years. hes been there for 15 yrs so i'd take is word for it
 
Frog, I think you're typing faster than I can read. Either that or your brain is going faster than your fingers. ("Preview Post" is everyone's friend!)

:)
 
SteveC said:
Frog, I think you're typing faster than I can read. Either that or your brain is going faster than your fingers. ("Preview Post" is everyone's friend!)

:)
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It's the Shiner talking.
 
SteveC said:
:)

If I want a headache I'll do my own drinking, thank you very much. <tongue firmly in cheek>

:D
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Got a supply of Guiness draught. All ready for the Kansas vs. Pitt game today. Wait a minute.......D'Oh!!!!!!
 
flyover said:
Got a supply of Guiness draught. All ready for the Kansas vs. Pitt game today. Wait a minute.......D'Oh!!!!!!
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Guiness works with sorrows as well as celebrations.

Oh BTW, I'm from Michigan. Got any extra sorrow-drowning suds?
 
So with all these major guys retiring, the regional guys will move up and there'll be a bunch of regional jobs? When should this happen?
 
SteveC said:
Guiness works with sorrows as well as celebrations.

Oh BTW, I'm from Michigan. Got any extra sorrow-drowning suds?
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Nope, too many legal age sons still around. There are never any extra suds at my house.

Next year I'm not buying any beer until they at least make the Sweet 16.
 
FatBastard said:
Doug, where can you dump trash that pays that well?? Enquiring minds want to know!
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Everywhere.
Here's a few:
Culver City, CA $36,700
http://www.culvercity.org/uploads/jobs/1115200585952AM.pdf

San Diego, $35,600-$42,600
http://apps.sandiego.gov/pjaol8/bulletins/transfer/transfer.pdf

Poughkeepsie, NY
"The starting salary is $28,472. After six months, the pay jumps to $31,635. At the end of 18 months, workers make $34,000 a year."
http://poughkeepsiejournal.com/projects/on_the_job/bu031704s2.shtml

Framingham, MA, $33,700
http://www.framinghamma.gov/web/JobPostings/Sanitation%20Driver-Laborer%20(06-92).htm
 
BCTAv8r said:
So with all these major guys retiring, the regional guys will move up and there'll be a bunch of regional jobs? When should this happen?
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It isn't going to happen. Pilot factories have been using the "1000s of pilots are retiring, there will be a shortage..." line for 20 years and it still hasn't happened.
 
NJA_Capt said:
Everywhere.
Here's a few:
Culver City, CA $36,700
http://www.culvercity.org/uploads/jobs/1115200585952AM.pdf

San Diego, $35,600-$42,600
http://apps.sandiego.gov/pjaol8/bulletins/transfer/transfer.pdf

Poughkeepsie, NY
"The starting salary is $28,472. After six months, the pay jumps to $31,635. At the end of 18 months, workers make $34,000 a year."
http://poughkeepsiejournal.com/projects/on_the_job/bu031704s2.shtml

Framingham, MA, $33,700
http://www.framinghamma.gov/web/JobPostings/Sanitation%20Driver-Laborer%20(06-92).htm
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None of those places are cheap to live in.....
 
frog_flyer said:
its all one list. when you get the seniority you can move into the left seat. but you'll have last pick at trips. thats why some guys like to sit as a very senior fo instead of upgrading
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I know a guy who's sister is a senior FO for a major. He said she flies alot of international flights. She has a family and likes to make the decision of when she works. She will not upgrade to captain.
 
NJA_Capt said:
It isn't going to happen. Pilot factories have been using the "1000s of pilots are retiring, there will be a shortage..." line for 20 years and it still hasn't happened.
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LOL. And why hasn't there been a shortage? Because of all the pilot factories.

I remember having a discussion with our VP of FltOps about 20 years ago. He was worried about a pilot shortage and said the company was looking at European style setups where they trained their own pilots.

Of course it never was an issue because the pilot factories ramped up big time.

Believe it or not all pilots eventually retire. I spent most of my career waiting for guys to retire, then the next thing I knew all those guys and I were retired.
 
notawannabee said:
I know a guy who's sister is a senior FO for a major. He said she flies alot of international flights. She has a family and likes to make the decision of when she works. She will not upgrade to captain.
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Depending on what airline she is at that may not be an option. I know several of up or out policies in effect.
 
flyover said:
And why hasn't there been a shortage? Because of all the pilot factories.
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The first point that came to mind was the retirement of the 3 pilot aircraft in the 80s-90s (DC8 & 10s, L10-11, B727). Right off the bat, 30% less pilots were needed and the "entry level" (ie low timer) positions went away.
Next came the end of two major airlines (Pan Am and Eastern). The market was again flooded with experienced pilots.

flyover said:
I spent most of my career waiting for guys to retire, then the next thing I knew all those guys and I were retired.
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I've met a few of those. One spent 22+ years as an FO and the last 3 as Capt. That is something that people don't think about when airlines are hiring 2000 25-30 year old pilots. You don't upgrade until someone retires. If all the guys immediately ahead of you are the same age, guess what?

Then again, the way airlines are going out of business and pilots jumping jobs every 5 years, very few pilots will see the 20 year (High $$) salaries that were once abundant.
 
NJA_Capt said:
The first point that came to mind was the retirement of the 3 pilot aircraft in the 80s-90s (DC8 & 10s, L10-11, B727). Right off the bat, 30% less pilots were needed and the "entry level" (ie low timer) positions went away.
Next came the end of two major airlines (Pan Am and Eastern). The market was again flooded with experienced pilots.
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The three pilot to two was definitely a factor. And another was the increasing productivity of the pilots that were left. When I came to work in the late 70s the senior guys flew so seldom they had a hard time remembering how to get to the airport. 70 hour caps. 6 weeks of vacation with all touching trips dropped and paid.

But all that was more than compensated for by the big growth the industry experienced. I wasn't suggesting I spent my career as an FO. I just wanted to be more senior as a captain. (grass is always greener)
 
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