The 5 T's

Mr_Creepy

Mr_Creepy

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The 5 T\'s

I have been trying to remember this "IFR Mantra." I have been flying IFR so long I've forgotten all these training tips, and now I have an IFR student that asked me about it. Can anyone help me out here?

This is what I remember, is this the right order?

1) Twist. Twist the heading bug
2) Turn. Turn to the new course
3) Tune. Tune the new frequency, or navaid
4) Talk. Read back the clearance
5) Time. Start your time at the fix

Is this how any of you were taught?

And yes I know there was a thread on this before but I've lost it
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I have been trying to remember this "IFR Mantra." I have been flying IFR so long I've forgotten all these training tips, and now I have an IFR student that asked me about it. Can anyone help me out here?

This is what I remember, is this the right order?

1) Twist. Twist the heading bug
2) Turn. Turn to the new course
3) Tune. Tune the new frequency, or navaid
4) Talk. Read back the clearance
5) Time. Start your time at the fix

Is this how any of you were taught?

And yes I know there was a thread on this before but I've lost it
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Mil teaches

Turn
Time
Throttle
Twist
Talk

All a wash as to the order, IMO.
 
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I was taught:

Time (start your time first)
Turn (to your heading)
Ttwist (your OBS if necessary)
Tthrottle (back to descend)
Ttalk (talk
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For the complex and/or twin, we added another:
Tires (extend landing gear BEFORE talking)
 
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Don't worry about the order so much. The order may change based on the task. Besides, if you followed the Aviate-Navigate-Communicate rule, the first two in the order would have to be Turn and Throttle. Thinking of the A-N-C rule also helps you remember the Ts themselves.

Aviate: Turn, Throttle
Navigate: Twist, Time
Communicate: Talk

Think about them as a way or remembering the series of tasks that need to be accomplished and use them for a pre-fix briefing and a post-fix cross-check:

Before getting to the fix:

"Let's see now. When I get to XYZ VOR, I'll need to turn to a heading of 320º and descend to 3500'. I won't need to start the timer at this point but will make sure that it's reset to 00:00. I'll switch to VOR #2 and verify that I've got ZYX tuned in and the OBS set for 320 to the station. It's not a reporting point, so I don't have to call ATC."

When reaching XYZ, do what you need to do.

After performing the tasks, repeat the Ts to verify you haven't missed anything.
 
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True enough.

I should have said that that is the order I learned to use them.

BUT - I have found that it varies from one approach to another.
 
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Everybody is wrong, and my answer is the only answer!!!!

Ok, I'm just kidding, really...lol.

I was taught:

Turn....to the heading required
Time....if required for the approach and/or holding pattern
Twist.....the OBS/HSI or ADF card
Transition....to the appropriate configuration (not always a throttle adjustment...could just be lowering the gear
Talk.....and let the appropriate parties know what's going on.


There's my two cents.....won't get you much these days!!!
 
Why I do think the order is important...

I tell students the order isn't important except for the first and the last.

The first should be time, because you are only over that spot for a moment and your next step, be it the missed approach point or turn in the hold, is going to be based on your time from over that one geographical spot.

The last should always be talk. That reinforces that ATC can wait...

It's funny how students always want to talk first, though, when that outer marker light comes on...
 
Re: Why I do think the order is important...

Time - you'll never forget it if it's first!
Turn - get going to your heading
Twist - set the hdg so you know where you're stopping
Throttles - set up your power
Tires - landing with gear down is a good thing
Talk - eh, ATC can figure out what you're doing ... save them for last.
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A little different but works for me. I run through this every time I make a heading change. My instructor liked me to get configured near or past the FAF. I like to get configured before I intercept the FAP(ath). But in the end, I think, as long as you remember your time the rest is pretty much just an excercise in nuemonics.
 
Re: Why I do think the order is important...

My instructor added a 6th T:

Turn
Time
Twist
Throttle (adjust speed and/or altitude, if nec)
Talk
Track (check heading and track the published course/bearing)
 
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My instructor added a 6th T:

Turn
Time
Twist
Throttle (adjust speed and/or altitude, if nec)
Talk
Track (check heading and track the published course/bearing)

[/ QUOTE ]I've seen them with even more Ts than that.

Of course, the day that I need a checklist reminder to follow a heading, bearing or radial is the day that I stop flying.
 
Re: Why I do think the order is important...

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I tell students the order isn't important except for the first and the last.

The first should be time, because you are only over that spot for a moment and your next step, be it the missed approach point or turn in the hold, is going to be based on your time from over that one geographical spot.

[/ QUOTE ]That's assuming that you have a calculated actual groundspeed and the winds won't change. Otherwise, even "time" is really only an estimate.
 
Re: Why I do think the order is important...

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That's assuming that you have a calculated actual groundspeed and the winds won't change. Otherwise, even "time" is really only an estimate.

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Yeah, but if you miss that "spot" and don't start the time that "estimate" rapidly degrades to a blatant guess or worse ...
 
Re: Why I do think the order is important...

Now, I have to beg the question.....

If you need a fancy acronym to help you remember your acronym, what's the point?
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I was given a 6th "T" as well:

Think

Always think about what is coming next. Stay ahead of the airplane
 
Re: Why I do think the order is important...

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Now, I have to beg the question.....

If you need a fancy acronym to help you remember your acronym, what's the point?
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[/ QUOTE ]You won't get an argument from me on that. I generaly think they are =way= overused.

RIP PIN STUMPS

for goodness sake!
 
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RIP PIN STUMPS

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I think I know that guy: Short guy - one leg - drinks a lot... got arrested.
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Thank you!! Here all week.
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