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The major difference between FSA and Comair is that everyone who gets their ratings may apply for an instructor job (in the case of CFI), or may apply for the direct track program (in the case of commercia, instrument, multiengine) at FlightSafety. Thus, when FSA says that a certain percentage of students who complete the program and apply get hired, those numbers match up with the actual number who got a rating.
For instance, if 100 people got their CFI, and 80% got hired, then 80 people got hired at FSA. Imagine now that 100 get their CFI at another school, but for some reason 30 do not qualify for completion of program despite having gotten their CFI, so only 70 apply. Of those 70, 68 get hired thus you say that 97% of your applicants get hired when in reality only 68% of those that began the program got hired. Rather sly.
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It is no different at Delta Connection Academy. DCA does not stipulate who can and can't apply, within their requirements that I will talk about next. As I am sure you have read, there are people here looking for enrollment/hired ratios. This is not the same as those that complete their ratings and apply/hired ratios. I posted previously about this, so I won't repeat it. I am sure at FSA you have students that enroll and don't make it to the interview process for one reason or another, including some who get their CFI. You even stated that those who get their ratings MAY apply for a position. You are not including in your numbers though those who don't apply. You are trying to compare apples to oranges. Rather sly.
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At Comair, the definition of completion involves complications that I am not fully versed in.
For the record, please tell us what one must do to get an interview. How many unsat lessons as a student will disqualify you?
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As a disclaimer, I am an instructor and am not part of the interviewing or decision making process, but I will try my best to answer. To get an interview, one must complete at least 2 ratings at DCA and then submit an application. Or, if from the outside, I am not sure, but I think the requirement is 1000TT or maybe 1500. Again, not sure about that scenario. However, for those who enroll as a student, it is clearly stated what one must do in order to qualify for an interview (or it was for me). I attained all my ratings at DCA, so the only thing I did to get an interview was ask for one (by submitting a resume and application). As far as unsats, there is no number that will disqualify you. I personally have pink tickets from FAA rides and busted my share of stage checks, yet I was hired. One of my instructors unsat nearly every stage he had as a student, including FAA rides, yet he was hired as an instructor and is now a FO with Comair Airlines.
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How much do you have to support the company in word and deed to get an interview?
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Not sure what you are really asking there. There are alot of instructors that have never posted here or in any other forum or made any "public" praise for the school. If you don't support the school though, I would expect it to be obvious in one's attitude and work ethic, and in the company's best interest they probably wouldn't be hired. Would you want someone as an employee who doesn't support your company? I never posted here as a student (not that I can remember) or anywhere else, and again, I was hired.
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Does your student pass rate as an instructor have to be above a certain level?
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They would like for you to maintain a 70% pass rate. However, there are instructors that don't have this and they haven't been fired. The only requirement for pass rates is the 141 requirement that we must have an 80% FAA pass rate in order to instruct CFI with only 400 hours dual given.
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Last but not least, what percentage of people who get their CFI at your school get hired as an instructor, and what percentage of those that become instructors get that interview?
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I don't have these numbers, but the 97% you referred to earlier is those instructors who completed their 800 hours dual given to those who have been hired. I think Wannabe posted specifics... somewhere in the 700 range.
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It is my understanding, through talking with ex-students, that completion of program for you guys involves a lot more than just getting the rating, including some rather complicated politics. I hate that political crap. If someone doesn't "tow the company line" at Comair, they might as well hang it up, and that, my friend, is bullsh*t. G
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Again, I am not privy to the hiring process, but from my experience, yes it does involve more than just getting your ratings. It involves maintaining a positive attitude, good work ethic and "people skills". I am not sure what you are implying by "rather complicated politics", but I have never been asked to do something I didn't want to do, I have never been asked to defend or praise the school, I have never even been asked to work hard or harder. That was left up to me as to how hard I wanted to work. I have never had to kiss a$$ or pretend to be someone I am not. If someone is not willing to work hard, keep a good attitude... they will not be hired. Also, as I stated before, DCA is not for everyone. It should not be assumed that those who are no longer here is due to them not "towing the company line" or that those of us here did. I'm sure there is a good reason they aren't here, and it is not because they wouldn't play the "political game". I don't know the ex-students that you refer to, so I can't speak about what they told you, so please tell us what it is they said that they had to do above and beyond getting their ratings and the other characteristics I spoke of.
There are some a$$ kissers here, yes... those that do try and play that game, and I would agree that it is bs. But, there are many more of us here that haven't decided to take that route, and we remain employed. I don't know about FSA as an organization, but I would be willing to bet there are those there that play that game as well.
