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Before you start blowing smoke up all our collective derriers, remember, your schools claims are nothing more than a glossy, misinformative form of propaganda, something that reputable schools don't need to resort to.

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LMAO!!! Well said.
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Don...

Doesn't FSI advertise?

Just because you feel that their advertising is PC and DCA is misleading... that doesn't mean that it is not a marleting ploy?

How about them having a student in the ads whom the father is a Delta Captain? Pretty clever... perhaps those students considering DCA will se this and think...If he, a Delta Captain, decided that FSI is the right place , I should train there too
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We have more than one student whose father is a Delta Captain and I first heard about DCA ( then Comair) from a Delta Captain that dove with me on Bikini.

Every pilot that I know that came to visit was impressed by the school... People that fly for Air Canada, American Airlines, Continental and Delta...

When are you coming for a visit?
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Just let me interject here.

And this is just in reference to FSI, Ads, and Jetcareers.

Yes, FSI runs reputable ads. How do I know? I run them and I wouldn't dream in a thousand years of ruining my integrity by running less than reputable advertisements.

My site will not become Flying Magazine.
 
FSI doesn't guarantee interviews because it is an underhanded marketing ploy, and FSI doesn't stoop to that level. It is somewhat frustrating to watch companies like yours get an increase in enrollment due to unethical marketing practices, but if you can look at yourself in the mirror that's your business.

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I have no problem sleeping at night... looking at the mirror though... those extra pounds that I'm packing are a "nuisance" ...

The problem with you guys is that you hate DCA ads but can't do @#$$ about it.... that must annoy the hell out of you.

Even worse is going to bed tonight knowing that almost all of the guys that enrolled at DCA this week did research on on your school and still chose DCA... That must really suck!
 
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One quick question. If you are the absoute Delta Connection, why then does FSI have the direct track program with ASA, a major Delta Connection carrier?

Before you start blowing smoke up all our collective derriers, remember, your schools claims are nothing more than a glossy, misinformative form of propaganda, something that reputable schools don't need to resort to.

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So you know... ASA is THIRD in the list of airlines chosen by our intructors...I, myself don't understand why as it is a good company...

DCA doesn't get enough instructors out of the door to supply the entire Delta Connection System. So there are opportunity out there for the other schools...

Stop by the FSI thread and read about how many guys have finished that "ASA direct" program....I was not impressed at all...
 
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Just let me interject here.

And this is just in reference to FSI, Ads, and Jetcareers.

Yes, FSI runs reputable ads. How do I know? I run them and I wouldn't dream in a thousand years of ruining my integrity by running less than reputable advertisements.

My site will not become Flying Magazine.

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Doug.... so FSI gives you money huh....they have been supporting this site since when?... It really gives me a perspective on what is credible and reputable and what is not!

When are we going to blow smoke up ATP's #$%%$$? They are giving you money too aren't they?

Hey look at that shiny banner up on the right corner what's that?

( sorry Doug but I had to have a litttle fun
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Especially if I promised the HR guy a Quiznos.

Mmm mmm mmm... Toasty!

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"When are you coming for a visit?"

Don't hold your breath. HAHA...I said "don't hold you breath" to a scuba diver....

"The problem with you guys is that you hate DCA ads but can't do @#$$ about it.... that must annoy the hell out of you"

Well...it is frustrating. I think there are a fair amount of DCA guys who think the ads suck, too. Maybe someday those on the inside will find a way to make a difference. For myself, I can only continue to steer folks away from DCA on a personal level. Like the kid I met the other day who told me about this school that is owned by Delta that makes it easy to become an airline pilot if you just do their program....just like the ad in Flying magazine makes it look.

On the non-personal level...I can keep active at these forums where you would assume, with the number of lurkers at jetcareers, that some folks interested in DCA will be edcuated on what THIS major airline pilot thinks about a school that has ads like DCA's.

You're right...I can't do anything about it...and it is annoying.
 
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Doug.... so FSI gives you money huh....they have been supporting this site since when?... It really gives me a perspective on what is credible and reputable and what is not!

When are we going to blow smoke up ATP's #$%%$$? They are giving you money too aren't they?

Hey look at that shiny banner up on the right corner what's that?


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Your beloved "Connection" would give its left nut for the opportunity to advertise here. It just that Dougie T actually has some standards unlike AOPA flight-training.
 
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Doug.... so FSI gives you money huh....they have been supporting this site since when?... It really gives me a perspective on what is credible and reputable and what is not!

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I've had a very good relationship with FSI since 2002 I think. I'd have to dig thru my records to see when they started supporting jetcareers.

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When are we going to blow smoke up ATP's #$%%$$? They are giving you money too aren't they?

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ATP runs ads on jetcareers too. However, ask Bogberto (a Mesa CRJ captain) who suggested ATP to him back in the late 90's before I even owned the jetcareers domain name.

For every one advertiser you see on jetcareers, there are probably three or four others that were outright rejected. I talk to my advertisers multiple times per week and have completely honest and frank discussions. If they've got a concern, they have my telephone number. If I've got a concern, I've got their telephone number.

*The following is NOT in reference to DCA*

If a school has a history of screwing students, misleading advertising, or regularly involves itself in activities that I think are misleading, there's absolutely no way in hell that I'm going to run an ad for the school. It takes one bad ad and any credibility that I have is absolutely gone.

That's a fact!
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Corporate ownership means nothing because they are separate organizations. Of course, the financial situation of the parent company does matter,

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So which one is it?? Does it or doesn't it matter? I would argue that it does matter. There are numerous advantages in accounting that a corporate structure provides. And yes, I would agree that Berkshire is a much more stable company than Delta. As a CEO, Warren Buffett is one of if not the best out there. If only I hadn't decided to fly I could have used the money to buy one share of Berkshire.
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Hear that prospective students? Don't buy Comair Academy's lines! Do your research, visit the schools, and make an informed decision!

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Just out of curiousity, what experience do you have with DCA? You apparently know the school and it's procedures and it's quality of training to make such a statement. Or are you just being like the prospective students that you made assumptions about and are trying to warn - uneducated. Doesn't seem too professional to me.

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What good is an interview though if you aren't prepared for it, or if the company isn't hiring?

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Agreed. But in reality, would you be given an interview if the company didn't have intentions of hiring now or in the near future? I bet HR and the hiring pilot would rather do something else. We also have an agreement with FRASCA for the CRJ sim we are using for the bridge program so that we are provided the best opportunity to be prepared. We even contract out Regional pilots to come in and run the sim, possibly providing insight into the sim training they are soon to encounter. Guaranteed interview doesn't sound so bad now...

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FSI doesn't guarantee interviews because it is an underhanded marketing ploy, and FSI doesn't stoop to that level. It is somewhat frustrating to watch companies like yours get an increase in enrollment due to unethical marketing practices, but if you can look at yourself in the mirror that's your business.

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Underhanded? Hummm, we have a contract in writing that guarantees an interview upon completion of our 800 hours instructing. The marketing department advertises the fact that we have that. How is that underhanded?

About the enrollment, yes we have had a surge lately. If you want to insult potential students by assuming they make an uneducated decision about the school they attend, go ahead. Just remember, these are people that someday you may be sharing a cockpit with, if you make it that long. In September alone we had over 70 new enrollments. I don't know how many enrolled in the other schools out there, but I bet ours is at or near the top. Something must be working.

And about the marketing, say what you want about it, but just keep talking. The more you do, the more effective the ads are.
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Your beloved "Connection" would give its left nut for the opportunity to advertise here. It just that Dougie T actually has some standards unlike AOPA flight-training.

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FYI, our President is a female.
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So... AOPA has no standards... hummm... I have to go to cancel my membership. Be back later...
 
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Just out of curiousity, what experience do you have with DCA? You apparently know the school and it's procedures and it's quality of training to make such a statement. Or are you just being like the prospective students that you made assumptions about and are trying to warn - uneducated. Doesn't seem too professional to me.

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To show the ridiculousness of such reasoning I'll quote our good friend Lloyd in saying "So, using your logic, you have to try gay sex to figure out that it's not your thing?"

Another Example: So since I ve never used drugs does that not allow me to steer people clear of them? According to the DCA cheerleaders I would have to have a "personal experience" with something before I am even allowed can even comment on it.
 
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So... AOPA has no standards... hummm... I have to go to cancel my membership. Be back later...

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Do you think a magazine that advertises PFT has standards?
 
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Hear that prospective students? Don't buy Comair Academy's lines! Do your research, visit the schools, and make an informed decision!
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Just out of curiousity, what experience do you have with DCA? You apparently know the school and it's procedures and it's quality of training to make such a statement. Or are you just being like the prospective students that you made assumptions about and are trying to warn - uneducated. Doesn't seem too professional to me.

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To show the ridiculousness of such reasoning I'll quote our good friend Lloyd in saying "So, using your logic, you have to try gay sex to figure out that it's not your thing?"

Another Example: So since I ve never used drugs does that not allow me to steer people clear of them? According to the DCA cheerleaders I would have to have a "personal experience" with something before I am even allowed can even comment on it.


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Would you buy a car without test driving (getting experience in) it? DO you explain movies to people and make reccomendations whether to go see it to them without having seen it? Well maybe you would, but most reasonable people don't. For the absurd gay sex comment you seem to be so stuck on, No I wouldn't have to try it because I have tried the hetero route and have experience in that and know I like women. Once again, experience based. The irony I was trying to point out, which you obviously didn't catch, was that this FSA person is telling people to not go to DCA yet tells them next to do their homework. Soooo... I asked what experience he has with DCA to make that statement, because he must have done his homework on DCA as he so advises. My guess is that he doesn't know about the school. Yet, he advises against the school. Let me know what parts of this you don't understand and I will try to s-p-e-l-l it out a little easier for you. You said it best... ridiculous.
 
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So... AOPA has no standards... hummm... I have to go to cancel my membership. Be back later...

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Do you think a magazine that advertises PFT has standards?

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I think AOPA is a great organization that provides a service to all of us. Them allowing a PFT ad in their magazine is part of their business. They are a publicly funded organization and as such, rely on the income from ads, subscriptions, and memberships to operate and provide us services they do. So yes, I do think they have standards. Maybe you should look into the company and the services they provide... you might be able to use them. Not to mention, they send a really cool hat for free with your membership.
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already got the card and hat. I have nothin against the organization. Although after hearing Phil speak I think he is a tad bit out of touch with the average pilot. All he wants to talk about is Glass, mode S, satelite weather and all that nifty stuff. Well thats nice phil, but your average pilot doesnt have 300G's to drop on a new 182T. But all in all I think it is an alright organization.

I do have a problem with their Flight Training magazine though, all it contains is a bunch of ads for the big academies and PFT plus a few good training articles. It should be the other way around.
 
Wasn't Flying and/or Flight Training magazine running ATA ads up until the trustees of the company fled?
 
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"When are you coming for a visit?"

Don't hold your breath. HAHA...I said "don't hold you breath" to a scuba diver....

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That was funny! Heck I have not been in the water for so long my "gills" are all dry....

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"And about the marketing, say what you want about it, but just keep talking. The more you do, the more effective the ads are"

I'm not sure what you mean? I can't see how a UPS 757/767 pilot bashing DCA marketing could make your ads more effective. Maybe I need to find some more forum's to bash DCA marketing at so I can be more effective. Anybody know of any? They already hate DCA at flightinfo more than here but that's a pretty negative site. They hate everything....

Just for the record....it's not just DCA's marketing that ticks me off. It's all those schools that make this career look so easy to attain if you "just train with us".
 
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