ZapBrannigan
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Teen Survives Flight to Hawaii in Jet's Wheel Well
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wainscottbl
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Yeah this was pretty amazing. He just got lucky--went into a slow state of unconsciousness and then woke up as the plane descended. He'll likely have brain damage though which may not show for years. Still he is lucky. Part of me thinks he should be charged since he knew it was wrong what he did and an example needs to be made. But part of me thinks he should just be sent home. It had to be dramatic though I suppose one could say it's not like he did not know what he was about to do. But obviously he did not know the danger of it--the danger of injury and hypoxia. He may not have even know about pressurization and all that. Still he knew it as wrong to do it and that is mens rea. But prosecuting people is often practical and political. There is no demand to prosecute him and if they did it might look bad with the idea of the state sending a clearly depressed boy to jail. I say he learned his lesson. Hopefully after all the hugs his parents no doubt will give him he will be punished.
The biggest thing to me is he trespassed on airport property big time. What if he had been a terrorist. Or what if his body caused the landing gear not to work or something? Got caught up in the parts.
The biggest thing to me is he trespassed on airport property big time. What if he had been a terrorist. Or what if his body caused the landing gear not to work or something? Got caught up in the parts.
mrivc211
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Isn't it actually the airport ops job to secure the sida areas? It suers seemed that way in the sida training.
For those areas, you might be right. Definitely not the TSAs job for sure, as their's isnt a physical security job, as it is an inspection job. Airport police, or responsible LE jurisdiction, will be the armed component who enforces/protects.
PhilosopherPilot
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We live in a free society, and to secure things to anywhere approaching 100% would require some significant reductions in freedom. I personally prefer to accept some risk of a bombing or other attack in exchange for being able to walk down a street with a backpack on, etc.
Anyway, my point is that the aviation system is about as secure as it can be without draconian measures, and that's ok. Breaches will happen. No security is perfect.
Anyway, my point is that the aviation system is about as secure as it can be without draconian measures, and that's ok. Breaches will happen. No security is perfect.
Cptnchia
Dissatisfied Customer
That isn't gonna be a problem. Think of it this way. The landing gear is a pair of scissors and the human body is a piece of paper. There has been documented cases where the body was cut in half when the gear retracted. Or simply just crushed the body like a grape. It isn't pretty when the human body gets in the way of hydraulic things operating.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
Every airplane I've flown has a hydraulic system that operates around 3000 PSI. I'd guess the 767 is about the same. The plane has a max landing weight of around 280,000 lbs. Humans wouldn't have a chance of messing that thing up.
ChasenSFO
hen teaser
San Jose lets enthusiasts real close to the fences for photography. The last time I spotted there was the day before this incident...ironically waiting for the Hawaiian 767 to arrive which is likely the one the kid stowed away in. Hopefully SJC doesn't go too cray-cray after this.
FloridaLarry
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Philosopher Pilot said (in part):
There are those who would argue that some present TSA measures are draconian: small children and little old ladies whose names happen to match someone on the can't fly list being grounded, mindless expansion of policies & procedures, scanners that can't find things except body parts, and more.
We have substituted brainless institutional response for clear-thinking analysis and problem solving. Ask El Al how to do it, more successfully and probably at far less expense.
The only perfect security is hind-sight!
There are those who would argue that some present TSA measures are draconian: small children and little old ladies whose names happen to match someone on the can't fly list being grounded, mindless expansion of policies & procedures, scanners that can't find things except body parts, and more.
We have substituted brainless institutional response for clear-thinking analysis and problem solving. Ask El Al how to do it, more successfully and probably at far less expense.
The only perfect security is hind-sight!
PhilosopherPilot
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You'll get no arguments from me. The threat is mostly from the underbelly of the airport, not the traveling public coming in the front door. But hey, what do I know? I'm just a guy who has to hand over my Swiss Army knife just before I sit in a plane with a crash axe behind my seat...
I'd like to see a crewmember go through security with both of those and see how TSA reacts. If anything would illustrate the insanity of screening that would be it.
tonyw
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Damn it, Mike, there you go again. Injecting facts into a perfectly illogical rant. Why do you want people to say things based on reality?
Sheesh, man.
mrivc211
Well-Known Member
copy cats galore now that cnn just showed ppl everywhere in the world how to do it
ComplexHiAv8r
Well-Known Member
How long until he and his family file the lawsuit for the brain damage the has been mentioned?
H46Bubba
Well-Known Member
Gary Tuckman obviously didn't realize that the big main landing gear door is closed other than when required to perform maintenance and to extend or retract the gear in flight.
wainscottbl
Well-Known Member
No, just that he's the wheel guy. Put's the wheel up and down. But fell asleep on the job.