Taxi instructions during landing roll-out

[purpletw]

I know in the Air Force one of the regs states:
"Unless safety of flight or necessity for the control of air traffic dictates otherwise, controllers should avoid transmitting to aircraft in the following critical phases of flight: short final, touchdown, landing roll, departure roll, and initial climb-out."

I'm not sure how people do it at FAA or Contract towers. I know I will always follow this as a guideline if it isn't a set rule in the civilian ATC world regardless. It's just common sense and decent courtesy.

 

[MikeD]

I know in the Air Force one of the regs states:
"Unless safety of flight or necessity for the control of air traffic dictates otherwise, controllers should avoid transmitting to aircraft in the following critical phases of flight: short final, touchdown, landing roll, departure roll, and initial climb-out."

I'm not sure how people do it at FAA or Contract towers. I know I will always follow this as a guideline if it isn't a set rule in the civilian ATC world regardless. It's just common sense and decent courtesy.

Too, if Im holding short, for example, I'll try and refrain from calling for takeoff clearance during the same time as an aircraft is crossing the numbers or on short final to touchdown phase.

 

[purpletw]

Too, if Im holding short, for example, I'll try and refrain from calling for takeoff clearance during the same time as an aircraft is crossing the numbers or on short final to touchdown phase.

Which I'm sure most controllers appreciate. Nothing is more annoying than an a/c or a vehicle calling for access to a runway when they can look out their window and see an a/c short final or on rollout.

 

[Bernoulli Fan]

Which I'm sure most controllers appreciate. Nothing is more annoying than an a/c or a vehicle calling for access to a runway when they can look out their window and see an a/c short final or on rollout.

Except in the situation in which you are holding short #1, you just finish explaining this courtesy to your private student, and the guy #2 behind you calls up, doesn't say he's #2, and tower tells him to line up and wait.

 

[Markf64]

Landing rollout? They can't talk to you during the roll out. If they do just ignore them. Take the first turnoff and then ask them to say again.

I am not sure if they are allowed to talk to you or not during the roll out, but they do.

I'm just finishing my CFI and it happened to me yesterday on my roll out. I did have my instructor with me. I just ignored the call, even though it is a small, simple airport, and I know the instructions I am going to get. My attitude is to develop and reinforce the habit of not doing anything unecessary until I am clear of the runway. My instructor took care of the call in this case but when I am flying solo or with future students, I want to instill this habit in them.

 

[Sunburn]

I can only speak to how I was trained when I was at the tower. It was drilled into me that you do not talk to a pilot in a critical phase of flight unless it was a safety thing, i.e. "N123AB, go around, pack of coyotes on the runway" etc etc. So, on roll out, chances are I am going to do my best to not talk to you. Getting back to the first or specific exit taxiway topic, I often would give a clearance (the further out the better) "N3AB runway 29R cleared to land, plan to exit the first taxiway, three thousand five hundred feet down the runway." or if it was a bizjet "Bizjet 9ZY, runway 29r cleared to land, plan to exit the second taxiway, five thousand feet down the runway". If I got anything that sounded like they may not be able to do it, i.e. we'll try, we'll do our best, etc etc, I will not use it for separation, I'll be doing something else to the number 2 guy to make sure I have it.

On a side note, there was one time that I made a C414 number one that should have been number 2, but it is hard to tell a guy screaming in at 200kts seven mile downwind to, extend down wind, you are number 2 following the Cessna on a practice approach 5 mile final, and I am going to put you in between him and the GLF5 on 13 mile final that is already eating him up. Said C414 gave me best forward, a short approach (base over the numbers), and exited the first taxiway. Of course a great job, and thanks for the help was given.

 

[wildfreightess]

CLE is notorious for this! Not as big of a deal when it's the captain's leg. However, when the FO does the landing, ATC usually spits out taxi instructions right at the moment you're transferring the controls to the captain so he or she can get on the tiller and taxi off the runway. You then have that awkward confusion of , "Chautauqua... blah blah blah" in your ear while you're saying, "your controls," and CA is saying, "my controls," then you have to remember what the heck ATC said because you're supposed to read it back. I got to where I just made ATC wait until we'd cleared the runway. By then, a long silence after their first instruction has occurred, so they end up repeating the taxi instructions anyway.

 

[Roger Roger]

I love it on windy days when I get my taxi instructions while still in the flare.

 

[derg]

I really really hate that and I'm sure I'll get some hate mail but I just ignore it until I have the jet transferred and under control of the captain.

 

[MOONWOLF]

I wait at least until after 80kts, controls are transferred, and its all good.

 

[Chief Captain]

Ive only very rarely gotten told to make a specific turnoff while on rollout, even then its usually been one pretty far down. Though Im sure it happens in places from ATC. Often, it's just "exit when able......contact ground, etc"

Ever been to O'Hare?

 

[///AMG]

I know in the Air Force one of the regs states:
"Unless safety of flight or necessity for the control of air traffic dictates otherwise, controllers should avoid transmitting to aircraft in the following critical phases of flight: short final, touchdown, landing roll, departure roll, and initial climb-out."

I'm not sure how people do it at FAA or Contract towers. I know I will always follow this as a guideline if it isn't a set rule in the civilian ATC world regardless. It's just common sense and decent courtesy.

At Navy/USMC fields, it is standard on short final/DH for the GCA controller to tell you "contact tower on GCA roll-out". Then again it is also basically standard for tower to blabber on during FCLP's with aircraft on the ball (nobody except the aircraft in the groove and LSO talks on final)

 

[framedforlife]

I have been given taxi instructions at Salisbury-Ocean City Wicomico Regional Airport when landing b/c the GA ramp is far away from the taxi way, even got to see 4 Apache long bows up close from the PA Nat'l Guard.