Take your pick Colgan!
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Seggy
Well-Known Member
We need ALPA not the Teamsters.
Horizons pay scale is great, but their work rules aren't the best.
Furthermore the teamsters are horrendous in representing pilots when it comes to legal issues with the FAA, certificate issues, and medical issues. As a matter of fact, they contract that out to ALPA.
Horizons pay scale is great, but their work rules aren't the best.
Furthermore the teamsters are horrendous in representing pilots when it comes to legal issues with the FAA, certificate issues, and medical issues. As a matter of fact, they contract that out to ALPA.
TUCKnTRUCK
That guy
? what did they do to the Q boys out west? If they are physically threatening you in any way, please don't post here.. call your local FBI field office.
U might not want to let them know u saw what they did... I might go hide
Seggy.. not to thread jack.. new post up
http://flyingwithtnt.blogspot.com/
U might not want to let them know u saw what they did... I might go hide
Seggy.. not to thread jack.. new post up
http://flyingwithtnt.blogspot.com/
OldComputerGuy
New Member
I was originally leaning toward Teamsters, but after discussing the situation with Seggy I've changed my mind and am leaning heavily toward ALPA at this point. As I understand it, the main strength in negotiating a CBA is with the local pilot group, but the national union is who helps you with other things, such as medical issues or enforcement issues, etc. Teamsters is into a million different trades. All ALPA does is airline pilots. So whether it's Teamsters or ALPA, it will likely be the exact same people negotiating for our contract. At least that's how I understand it. If I've got it wrong, somebody please enlighten me.
greaper007
Well-Known Member
If you're an airline pilot it's ALPA or in house. Considering that our union dues will barely pay for a large pizza I'm voting for ALPA..........AGAIN!!!!!
Cruise
Well-Known Member
No question for me. It's ALPA all the way. It's a union (or association) specifically for AIRLINE PILOTS.
Our new (not really new anymore) brothers/ sisters are ALPA, we should be ALPA. Heck, we ALL should be ALPA. Time to leverage our numbers instead of dividing our ranks w/ separate groups among us.
Our new (not really new anymore) brothers/ sisters are ALPA, we should be ALPA. Heck, we ALL should be ALPA. Time to leverage our numbers instead of dividing our ranks w/ separate groups among us.
wantfrieswiththat
Well-Known Member
:yeahthat:
I would choose ALPA over Teamsters any day.
I would choose ALPA over Teamsters any day.
L-16B
Well-Known Member
Seggy I would love to get your selling points on ALPA, I know the guys in my crash pad all seem to want Teamsters due to the Pinnacle situation I assume, but I haven't really heard anyone say anything good about ALPA yet, so I'm all ears...
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
I'm kinda curious as to their reasoning to go with Teamsters over ALPA when it comes to Pinnacle. It only HELPS to be the same union as the guys that you're more than likely gonna be integrated with. If they're argument is the slow pace of the contract, well, Teamsters wouldn't be able to do any better thanks to the RLA. Plus, thanks to ALPA's legal team, we've won HUGE grievances lately. Top of the list, of course, is the scope grievance with Colgan, second was a "vacation slide" issue that the company basically decided didn't exist anymore b/c they couldn't make it work with pref bid. Then there was the arbitration on the CRJ-900 scales. I'm not saying Teamsters wouldn't have worked as well, but I don't see many ALPA cons when it comes to Pinnacle.
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
I'm in a crashpad with a few Colgan guys up here in Newark, and I've heard the following:
-"If we get ALPA, then it'll be a conflict of interest because Pinnacle is ALPA, so we should vote Teamsters."
-"If we vote ALPA, we'll have a substandard contract because it won't be as good as Pinnacles, so we should vote Teamsters."
Those poor guys got some long winded explanations of why what they were hearing was incorrect.
Cruise
Well-Known Member
Go get 'em John. Please, please continue to educate these people. We need to nip the Teamster thing in the bud before it starts to take hold.
Just say NO to the Teamsters at Colgan!
L-16B
Well-Known Member
#1 is what I hear all the time - they think that ALPA won't help us as much since our pilot group is much smaller. I've asked my old man about this stuff and he just balks at unions (but he flew for swa). I really haven't met many Colgan people that are for ALPA, only for Teamsters. Keep in mind this is only Q folks that I'm talking about. And do we vote on which union that we would eventually vote on? I am extremely unbiased on the issue and want to gather facts, not opinions.
surreal1221
Well-Known Member
Here are some interesting numbers. This was taken from another board, by a one time poster of this very forum.
Why anyone would want to be associated with such a corrupt organization is beyond me, but to each his/her own.
Why anyone would want to be associated with such a corrupt organization is beyond me, but to each his/her own.
Velocipede
New Member
Don't forget ALPA has the most experience with pilot contracts of any Union in the U.S. Now, if you can just get your NC/MEC guys to listen to them.
Seggy
Well-Known Member
Hey man sent you a PM PLEASE give me a call but Cruise posted this in our company group on here...
Ok, time to set some information straight about PNCL and ALPA. In a recent conversation w/ Scott Erickson (PNCL MEC Pres.), he said there would be NO STAPLE of the lists. Most likely, when our lists are integrated, we would have some type of integration. We would certainly help OUR CAUSE by being ALPA as well. This would enable a smoother transition w/ the integration.
Think about it people. What long term benefit would PNCL have by screwing us? Answer, NONE. Start thinking long term.....w/ the current state of the economy/ industry, we could all be here for much longer than we intended (same for the people at PNCL). At some point in the future we could be sharing the cockpit together....best not to screw the guy/ girl next to you.
We need ALPA, not Teamsters, not CPG, not the USW. Why would we pick a union that supports several different industries, when there is one SPECIFICALLY for airline pilots. Think about it.
SoCalAprch
Well-Known Member
Im a teamster and would suggest listening to Seggy and the others. ALPA is the way to go for airline pilots.
L-16B
Well-Known Member
seggy thanks for giving me the time of day to explain ####, that goes a lot farther than guys just telling me to vote one way or another without any reasoning. I'd be glad to help in any capacity when it comes time.
Seggy
Well-Known Member
Thank you for your honesty in your post. You are not the only one at your company that feels that way. During the drive last year, it was amazing how many of your fellow pilots came up to us and asked if ALPA was going to organize your company.