Swearingen SJ30 Status?

jwp_145 said:
Wow it's sad that you jet jocks choose to make fun of what I said just because I chose to repeat what I read in a reputable publication.
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Well, keep in mind that this is an aircraft that has been in development since the late 80s, made its first flight in 1996, and has recently been bought out by an investment group that has no doubt changed a few things. I think it's safe to that what you read "a couple of years ago" has probably changed a bit over the years. I couldn't find it in a 20 second google search, so anyone know when the Primus Epic was first introduced?
Your lives must be so rad that you feel you can do that. And thanks TallFlyer, your sarcasm really added to the conversation.
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Thanks!

Signed,

A single engine piston jock.

In all seriousness, lighten up a little. We're all here to learn, especially me. I for one agree with you though, it would be a great platform to own and fly, especially if the real world performance numbers match what they advertise, and if I could fit in the thing.
 
TallFlyer said:
Well, keep in mind that this is an aircraft that has been in development since the late 80s, made its first flight in 1996, and has recently been bought out by an investment group that has no doubt changed a few things. I think it's safe to that what you read "a couple of years ago" has probably changed a bit over the years. I couldn't find it in a 20 second google search, so anyone know when the Primus Epic was first introduced?

Thanks!

Signed,

A single engine piston jock.

In all seriousness, lighten up a little. We're all here to learn, especially me. I for one agree with you though, it would be a great platform to own and fly, especially if the real world performance numbers match what they advertise, and if I could fit in the thing.
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I'm not uptight, I just took a little offense to the mocking I got when I said that the front office's equipment was outdated. No worries though as I'm quite over it. I just recall though when I was reading an article about it around 4 years ago, they said that even though the aircraft's performance still blew everything else out of the water, the avionics were from the early 90s and were severely outdated WHEN COMPARED to the newer stuff out there.

The aircraft and its avionics are already certified, as is the production certificate. Just because Emivest or countless new owners have purchased the program does not mean that they will just willy-nilly change the avionics package. The program is millions and millions of dollars in the red, and certifying a new avionics package before they can even produce the plane in any significant amount is going to drive it even deeper into unprofitability! I believe though that once Emivest gets the production issues fiured out and starts churning out airframes, they will do something about putting some newer hardware up front. As I understand it, when the program was owned by the last investors, the company simply didn't have the money needed to ramp up production. That is why in the past 4 or 5 years since certification they have only managed to produce a handful of copies of the airframe.

It is an amazing airplane though and I hope to one day command one! :rawk:
 
WestIndian425 said:
The SJ30 is definitely one of my favorites!! I'd love to own one!

As far as the costs, I read somewhere it's about $7.5 million.
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Not a fan.... It ranks up there with the Edsel and Gremlin. For $7 million, you'd think they could have thrown in a single point fueling system. And to top it off, the over wing fuel cap is on TOP of the rear fuselage. Not exactly cutting edge.
 
NJA_Capt said:
Not a fan.... It ranks up there with the Edsel and Gremlin. For $7 million, you'd think they could have thrown in a single point fueling system. And to top it off, the over wing fuel cap is on TOP of the rear fuselage. Not exactly cutting edge.
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Haha, yeah there are a few things such as that that just make you wonder who went out to lunch when decisions like that were put through!
 
I don't know if there are different versions of the Primus Epic, but from what I've seen in our Falcon 2000EX it's a pretty competent package.

From Honeywell's website:

Primus Epic® Integrated Avionics System

Providing pilots a better view.

Honeywell’s Primus Epic integrated avionics system provides advanced flight deck functionality, improved situational awareness and increased system flexibility for business and regional aircraft. Featuring large liquid crystal flat panel displays, the intuitive Integrated Navigation (INAV™) and patented Graphical Flight Planning (GFP) functionally allows for the quick and safe modification of flight plans with the ability to monitor weather, terrain, and air traffic.

The flexible liquid crystal displays are scalable, allowing charts, maps, and electronic engine instrumentation images to be resized for easier viewing with both 2D and 3D graphic models. The system also is designed to allow the easy integration of aircraft utilities and fly-by-wire technologies, while also offering reductions in weight, wire count and power consumption requirements.

Because the Primus Epic system functions are software-based, this next-generation avionics suite delivers unprecedented operations value as system updates, like future communication, navigation, and surveillance/air traffic management (CNS/ATM) related products, are cost-effectively simple to install for business and regional jet operators.


Key Product Features

8” x 10” or 10” x 13” liquid crystal flat panel displays enable consolidation of most aircraft, systems and navigation data onto large cockpit displays

On-screen point and click functionality with drop-down menus using onboard cursor control devices which function similar to a personal computer mouse

Honeywell’s patented Primus Epic INAV® - industry’s first interactive navigation system that allows the simultaneous display of traffic, terrain, airspace, airways, airports, navigation aids

Patented Graphical Flight Planning (GFP)

Fully digital, integrated autopilot and autothrottle

Integrated flight management system

Integrated Enhanced Ground Proximity Warning System (EGPWS)

Integrated communication management function


Current Aircraft Applications

Embraer 170/175/190/195 regional jets
Gulfstream G350, 450, 500, 550 business jets
Cessna Citation Sovereign business jet
Dassault Falcon 900EX, 2000EX, and F7X business jets
Agusta AB-139 helicopter
Raytheon Hawker Horizon business jet
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TFaudree_ERAU said:
The level of systems integration with an avionics suite like the Primus Epic is lightyears ahead of the G1000.
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Serious question (I don't have much time in true glass panel jets); what does the SJ30's avionics have that the G1000 in the Mustang/Meridian/ect does not have?

Alex.
 
From what it looks like to me, the cockpit capabilities have been updated quite a bit. I believe when I started following the SJ30 progress a few years back the airplane had CRT tubes.
The pictures I've been seeing of its avionics suite look much more modern than what I'd originally seen in it.
 
When the plane was still the Sino Searnigen, the website had awebcam in the factory and you could see them working on the planes on the line... sometimes you wouldn't see anyone for DAYS!
 
I just read how Ivana Trump became enraged some heathen childrens were screaming as they ran up and down the aisle and got herself escorted off for cussing them.
I have neighbor kids that love to stand on the back porch and share their best screams in in the neighborhood, plus I left the family get-together on the 26th when a niece's 6 year old wouldn't stop her ear bursting display of joy- about an hour's worth.
Ivana can prolly afford 8 million $$ for one of these.
I can't so myself- I'd want to buckle them in and stick a sock in their mouths...
Rant over- I feel better already!
 
Saw Morgan's SJ-30 in CYYZ.

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I'm surprised an FBO has a towbar for that thing.

Or they just have to carry it around in the baggage compartment.

Kind of a cool looking plane.
 
I was doing a little research for curiosity's sake a few weeks ago, and if I was in the market for a 'new' business jet of the cabin size of a SJ30 I'd probably be looking at a re-engined Citation II. You can put full glass in them, two new FJ44s, full FADEC, and a new interior and still be under half the cost of the SJ30.
 
TallFlyer said:
I was doing a little research for curiosity's sake a few weeks ago, and if I was in the market for a 'new' business jet of the cabin size of a SJ30 I'd probably be looking at a re-engined Citation II. You can put full glass in them, two new FJ44s, full FADEC, and a new interior and still be under half the cost of the SJ30.
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Half the speed of the SJ30, too! :laff: :D

-mini
 
TallFlyer said:
I was doing a little research for curiosity's sake a few weeks ago, and if I was in the market for a 'new' business jet of the cabin size of a SJ30 I'd probably be looking at a re-engined Citation II. You can put full glass in them, two new FJ44s, full FADEC, and a new interior and still be under half the cost of the SJ30.
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Somebody just read this months AOPA magazine.
 
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