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  1. T/O w/FSII said:
    I disagree, a checkride is expected to be perfect because you have time to prep for it. Months or weeks in advance to prepare for one flight. You pop that 3 times? I see that as someone who can't show up perfect for a important day. How can I be sure you can show up perfect for a regular day? I can't.
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Show a little humility Mr. Perfect. While you would never make a mistake, I just hope you never get paired with an imperfect crewmember that screws up a QRH in a checkride, and in turn you BOTH fail as a "crew".
Just watched some basketball, a guy missed 2 free throws in a row. Must really be a terrible shooter! Turns out he was nearly a 90% FT shooter. Also saw a shooter make 4 in a row! Turns out he was a 48% FT shooter. My point? A handful of checkrides is small sample size of ones overall flying ability, learning ability, knowledge, aptitude, skill, etc.
Its not a black & white, hard and fast, objective metric. You can theoretically be an A- level pilot and fail, and a D- pilot and sqweek by with a pass.
Put another way, lets say two students are taught from zero to hero by the same instructor. Who would you trust more in recommending a pilot, the instructor or the examiner?
 
cactusjuba said:
Show a little humility Mr. Perfect. While you would never make a mistake, I just hope you never get paired with an imperfect crewmember that screws up a QRH in a checkride, and in turn you BOTH fail as a "crew".
Just watched some basketball, a guy missed 2 free throws in a row. Must really be a terrible shooter! Turns out he was nearly a 90% FT shooter. Also saw a shooter make 4 in a row! Turns out he was a 48% FT shooter. My point? A handful of checkrides is small sample size of ones overall flying ability, learning ability, knowledge, aptitude, skill, etc.
Its not a black & white, hard and fast, objective metric. You can theoretically be an A- level pilot and fail, and a D- pilot and sqweek by with a pass.
Put another way, lets say two students are taught from zero to hero by the same instructor. Who would you trust more in recommending a pilot, the instructor or the examiner?
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Ok.
 
What about Letters of Recommendation? I have only worked with primarily military crews - a few have gone to the airlines; American, Delta and such. But I don't know them well enough to ask for LORs. How much of a bearing is that on candidacy in the big picture?
 
At Southwest they have no weight at all in getting an interview. However, once you get the invite you need to have at least 3 from people with whom you've flown with. They then have merit in getting hired.
 
ZapBrannigan said:
We all understand that. But unfortunately the computer scoring and selecting candidates to interview doesn't. The HR employee who wasn't even out of high school on 9/11 doesn't. They see numbers against a baseline that they created, and until you are sitting across the table from them, you have no chance to explain the follies that led you to this place in your career.

So while I agree with your premise, I don't think it is much comfort to those who will - for whatever the reason - have to fight to overcome speed bumps and skeletons from their distant past.


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There is some hope. A friend of mine has an interview and has one failure in his background. Very early in his 121 career he had bad day during a PC with a difficult instructor.
 
T/O w/FSII said:
I disagree, a checkride is expected to be perfect because you have time to prep for it. Months or weeks in advance to prepare for one flight. You pop that 3 times? I see that as someone who can't show up prepared for a important day. How can I be sure you can show up prepared for a regular day? I can't.
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This is why people with black marks on their records never get hired at "respectable" flying jobs.
 
KLB said:
One of my buddy's got hired at United without one in the last year.
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Can we talk about it via PM? Im curious how he did it if you dont mind. Im trying (and struggling) to finish my degree but with how much free time I have to work on it I wont have it done for a long time.
 
Stryker172 said:
Can we talk about it via PM? Im curious how he did it if you dont mind. Im trying (and struggling) to finish my degree but with how much free time I have to work on it I wont have it done for a long time.
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The answer is simple honestly. He's always been serious with volunteerism. He just didn't do it for the job. He deeply believes in it. And was recognized for it. He also had intreviews at JetBlue and UPS. He chose United.
 
KLB said:
The answer is simple honestly. He's always been serious with volunteerism. He just didn't do it for the job. He deeply believes in it. And was recognized for it. He also had intreviews at JetBlue and UPS. He chose United.
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Good for him! That is really great!
 
KLB said:
The answer is simple honestly. He's always been serious with volunteerism. He just didn't do it for the job. He deeply believes in it. And was recognized for it. He also had intreviews at JetBlue and UPS. He chose United.
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Wow. I would hire your buddy too. I've met pilots with the degree that have the personality and hospitality of a sack of bricks.
 
KLB said:
The answer is simple honestly. He's always been serious with volunteerism. He just didn't do it for the job. He deeply believes in it. And was recognized for it. He also had intreviews at JetBlue and UPS. He chose United.
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I've been volunteering like crazy because I believe in it as well. One year I did about 100 days of volunteering. I put it all into airline apps. Fingers crossed.


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BEEF SUPREME said:
I've been volunteering like crazy because I believe in it as well. One year I did about 100 days of volunteering. I put it all into airline apps. Fingers crossed.


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United is big on it, so are some of the other big airlines.
 
BEEF SUPREME said:
I've been volunteering like crazy because I believe in it as well. One year I did about 100 days of volunteering. I put it all into airline apps. Fingers crossed.


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I really need to volunteer more. My buddy has been on my case about it. But I've been really busy. I was doing a few days up until this past August.
 
I know.... Way too much going on and not enough days off to do it.... Six days on at my regional followed by two days off. How the heck am I supposed to find time to vx. Currently working on a master's too. If they expect me to volunteer, I'll be a lifer until I can sort out some other stuff. I hope they like my two hours per month because ain't nobody got time 4 dat when you're barely hanging on financially. Seriously though, I wish that I could volunteer more often.
 
Cloud Surfer said:
I know.... Way too much going on and not enough days off to do it.... Six days on at my regional followed by two days off. How the heck am I supposed to find time to vx. Currently working on a master's too. If they expect me to volunteer, I'll be a lifer until I can sort out some other stuff. I hope they like my two hours per month because ain't nobody got time 4 dat when you're barely hanging on financially. Seriously though, I wish that I could volunteer more often.
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Holy crap, six days on?! I did that once but I had six off after. Just did five on and am starting a chunk of nine off
 
I don't think you necessarily always need to go big on volunteering. There are things you can do on a very limited basis that will still help polish the resume.

Just spit balling a few ideas: Adopt a pilot can be done from the road with skype, or help out with a scouting program. For example I have been a merit badge councilor for a few things in scouting. That's all I had on my SWA app in that section. It was enough to get me here.
 
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