SWA taking off with music over PA?

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ATN_Pilot said:
I think you're the one who needs to review the manuals. Using the PA for "fun" during a critical phase of flight is a big no-no.
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Maybe. I can have lots and lots of safe fun. Been doing that for years. People tend to like fun a lot more than fear. The law is a balance between literal interpretation and the spirit of the law. Always has been, always will be... until robots become our overlords. Thankfully, in some places, like aviation, wide latitude is still given to those capable of operating safely while also displaying a modicum of humanity and fun. Black letter law is created to mitigate lowest-common-denominator issues, and literal interpretation of said laws is generally the fearful response of the lowest common denominator - outright criminals give the law no truck. If you find yourself in the lowest common denominator, by all means, follow every rule to the letter, and interpret every letter in the most conservative fashion you can imagine.
 
Crop Duster said:
Maybe. I can have lots and lots of safe fun. Been doing that for years. People tend to like fun a lot more than fear. The law is a balance between literal interpretation and the spirit of the law. Always has been, always will be... until robots become our overlords. Thankfully, in some places, like aviation, wide latitude is still given to those capable of operating safely while also displaying a modicum of humanity and fun. Black letter law is created to mitigate lowest-common-denominator issues, and literal interpretation of said laws is generally the fearful response of the lowest common denominator - outright criminals give the law no truck. If you find yourself in the lowest common denominator, by all means, follow every rule to the letter, and interpret every letter in the most conservative fashion you can imagine.
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If you like playing games with your livelihood, go right ahead. It'll just make room for employment of more professional pilots. In the meantime, let me know where you work so I can avoid it.
 
This thread, and the one about flying wearing sandals, makes my impending retirement that much clearer.

You're PROFESSIONALLS, act as if. I come from the " golden age" of flying and personally would rather take Greyhound based on the majority of what I read here lately.

42 days till Baghdad
 
Crop Duster said:
Maybe. I can have lots and lots of safe fun. Been doing that for years. People tend to like fun a lot more than fear. The law is a balance between literal interpretation and the spirit of the law. Always has been, always will be... until robots become our overlords. Thankfully, in some places, like aviation, wide latitude is still given to those capable of operating safely while also displaying a modicum of humanity and fun. Black letter law is created to mitigate lowest-common-denominator issues, and literal interpretation of said laws is generally the fearful response of the lowest common denominator - outright criminals give the law no truck. If you find yourself in the lowest common denominator, by all means, follow every rule to the letter, and interpret every letter in the most conservative fashion you can imagine.
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MOST of the rules are written in blood, by someone with WAY more experience, or lastly, insurance requirements. I have a VERY hard time believing that a self proclaimed(possibly even verified) Bob Hoover of *insert aircraft* would ever possibly know better. For an airshow, probably, getting from A-B in the safest possible manner in any condition? I HIGHLY doubt it.

I see it EVERYDAY in freight. "It's just freight". No, the company wants you to fly the airplane this way! I, as your boss, DEMAND you fly this way as well or else you'll get a stern talking to and a passive aggressive email! :)

Bob Hoover can fly the ever living crap out of a commander, but I'm willing to bet all of my pay that he would operate the same plane the way that central air cargo wants it operated in that environment.

Yes, there is some design in training and the SOP to accommodate the lowest common denominator. Why be the lowest common denominator though? Or why fly like a crotch pheasant? The stereotypes outside of 121 make me SO mad because the intent is there, but there is still enough buttholes out there to perpetuate it.

I see ZERO difference between 121/135/91 as a pilot. There isn't really, when it comes down to it. If you're being paid to fly, be professional. Want to blast music? Do it in your own plane, on your own time. Or while you're flipping burgers. Even then, do it at your own grill, on your own time
 
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Crop Duster said:
Maybe. I can have lots and lots of safe fun. Been doing that for years. People tend to like fun a lot more than fear. The law is a balance between literal interpretation and the spirit of the law. Always has been, always will be... until robots become our overlords. Thankfully, in some places, like aviation, wide latitude is still given to those capable of operating safely while also displaying a modicum of humanity and fun. Black letter law is created to mitigate lowest-common-denominator issues, and literal interpretation of said laws is generally the fearful response of the lowest common denominator - outright criminals give the law no truck. If you find yourself in the lowest common denominator, by all means, follow every rule to the letter, and interpret every letter in the most conservative fashion you can imagine.
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What makes you think you might not be the lowest common denominator?
 
ATN_Pilot said:
No frickin' way.
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Oh good grief. Don't be a drama queen. You didn't like it. You quit. Smart man! But you wouldn't grab the jump if you needed to get somewhere? Gimme a break.

That's like me saying I won't shop at Walmart again. If the price of milk is ten cents cheaper guess where I'll be!

(Actually couldn't find s bunch of stuff on the wife's list at the Target Supercenter last night, so went over to WM and there it was.)

I hate them with a passion, but I'll still stop there if they have what I need. And that's after wasting 9+ years of my life working there!
 
ZapBrannigan said:
Oh good grief. Don't be a drama queen. You didn't like it. You quit. Smart man! But you wouldn't grab the jump if you needed to get somewhere? Gimme a break.

That's like me saying I won't shop at Walmart again. If the price of milk is ten cents cheaper guess where I'll be!

(Actually couldn't find s bunch of stuff on the wife's list at the Target Supercenter last night, so went over to WM and there it was.)

I hate them with a passion, but I'll still stop there if they have what I need. And that's after wasting 9+ years of my life working there!
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The good thing about that is only once several years ago had I ever needed to use them to get somewhere. It was an experience I will not forget and reinforced my idea that I will NEVER pay to fly that airline and I will continue to avoid them to the max extent possible free.

There was a flight attendant carrying a sound making toy dinosaur who was continuously using it over the PA before we left. Then later in flight (night flight) came up in the row behind me (as I was sleeping) and made the noise RIGHT IN MY FREAKING EAR. Seriously, how inconsiderate can you be? Fornicate that airline.
 
I'm quite happy to see that you ladies are taking the time and energy debating the professionalism of a PA.


Instead of looking outside your window, wondering if the cultural police are going to kick in your door and take your daughter, to stone her to death.
Or wondering if you sister made her trek across the the 130* desert to jump a fence, so she can send money back home.

Or wondering if your mothers cough is TB, contracted from the hundreds of other workers at the enormous counterfeit iPhone factory.
 
Nark said:
I'm quite happy to see that you ladies are taking the time and energy debating the professionalism of a PA.


Instead of looking outside your window, wondering if the cultural police are going to kick in your door and take your daughter, to stone her to death.
Or wondering if you sister made her trek across the the 130* desert to jump a fence, so she can send money back home.

Or wondering if your mothers cough is TB, contracted from the hundreds of other workers at the enormous counterfeit iPhone factory.
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I'm not one of those people, nor do I have any family there=don't care.
 
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