Superjet crash blamed on the pilots

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mmmmmm wine
This isn't really a shocker. Still sad none the less.

Indonesian investigators say the pilots aboard a Sukhoi Superjet 100 airliner that crashed into a mountain last May killing all 45 on board were to blame for the crash. They said the crew ignored repeated warnings from the aircraft's systems of the impending terrain conflicts because they thought the alerts were the result of a database problem. In fact, it appears the crew never knew what they hit since they turned off the terrain avoidance functions just before the aircraft, on a demo flight with potential customers, hit Mt. Salak. According to the Associated Press cockpit voice recordings show the captain of the aircraft was chatting with a potential customer as the aircraft hit the mountain.
AP quotes Tatang Kurniadi, chairman of Indonesia's National Commission on Safety Transportation as saying the accident was the result of pilot error perhaps compounded by the pilots' lack of familiarity with the area. "The crew was not aware of the mountainous area surrounding the flight path," Kurniadi said. The crash cast a shadow on the Superjet program, which is Russia's first clean-sheet airliner design in decades. Indonesia, however, expressed confidence in the aircraft after the crash. About a month before the investigation results were publicly released, the Indonesian government certified the aircraft and paved the way for Sky Aviation to take delivery of its 12-plane order.

http://www.avweb.com/avwebbiz/news/SuperJet_Pilots_Blamed_207862-1.html
 
Skåning said:
They were so close to death and didnt even realize it. Wow.
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I bet they spent more on upholstery than they did reparing the wing!

This SuperJet crash is a bad deal. Customer and pilot demos are always tough. To crash because of something so seemingly simple makes it seem worse for some reason..
 
I bet that got reported to the insurance company as hangar rash...

The super jet

how can they call that a clean sheet design. It looks just like everything else they do. Take what works and put ski on the end. E170ski, 727ski, etc
 
Bandit_Driver said:
Russian Lost a plane full of kids when they hit a DHL plane because they didn't trust TCAS
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Incorrect.
They obeyed ATC instructions, which brought to light the scenario to the industry, what happens if you have a TCAS resolution and ATC instructions.

It also trained ATC'ers around the world too BTW, we have direction if a pilot reports a TCAS evasion, we issue pertinent traffic information only, no climbs/descents.

All that is nice on paper, in reality, I'm going to get a warning seconds before your TCAS goes off, and will be issuing altitude/heading instructions.

While the crew would take the TCAS Altitude instructions first, I assume they would still follow the heading instruction since TCAS does not issue that?
 
canadian_atc said:
Incorrect.
They obeyed ATC instructions, which brought to light the scenario to the industry, what happens if you have a TCAS resolution and ATC instructions.

It also trained ATC'ers around the world too BTW, we have direction if a pilot reports a TCAS evasion, we issue pertinent traffic information only, no climbs/descents.

All that is nice on paper, in reality, I'm going to get a warning seconds before your TCAS goes off, and will be issuing altitude/heading instructions.

While the crew would take the TCAS Altitude instructions first, I assume they would still follow the heading instruction since TCAS does not issue that?
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It has long been the case for most carriers long before that accident that when given conflicting TCAS and ATC instructions, always obey the TCAS. The transponders have worked the solution out themselves! One of the planes, I cant remember which, obeyed ATC instructions as that was their somewhat unique policy on a TCAS/ATC conflict. Afterwards, it was finally made universal to obey TCAS, as that is how the system functions.

As far as heading instructions, the controller goes into "wha wha wha" mode on my ears and I'm going to be doing what I have to do to get in the green band on the TCAS.
 
It was a bad deal all around and there were more factors that went into this accident, controller was on backup radar, phone lines were cut to the facility, another controller saw the mistake and could call the other controller and due to laws and regs couldn't warn the aircraft because they were in someone elses air space... A lot and mean A lot of crap stacked up against everybody that day.
 
Bandit_Driver said:
It was a bad deal all around and there were more factors that went into this accident, controller was on backup radar, phone lines were cut to the facility, another controller saw the mistake and could call the other controller and due to laws and regs couldn't warn the aircraft because they were in someone elses air space... A lot and mean A lot of crap stacked up against everybody that day.
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Yes.

The controller was found not at fault, but management was found at fault for having poor practices.

Unfortunately, the controller was stabbed to death by the father of one of the dead children at his home.

Thankfully I've yet to have a TCAS evasion *Knocks on wood*
 
Id also like to mention, there are certain circumstances where TCAS likely would not "save the day"

Example.

Three airplanes in a stack, at FL350 FL360 and FL370... proceeding from FIXXA to FIXXB

Opposite direction aircraft going from FIXXB to FIXXA at FL360

Try working that one out in your head, now imagine the chaos in the cockpit in reality.
 
I remember reading...somewhere...that back in the Soviet era, the responsibility for a flight's safety rested with ATC, not the PIC as the west was taught. Basically, if you were given an instruction by ATC, you followed it.
 
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