Sully and the 1500h rule

juxtapilot said:
That's for Part 135 minimums. XC for issuance of a certificate (ATP) is 50 NM...
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RTFP. I said "in days past", the XC requirement for the ATP was simply between two airports, regardless of the distance.

Sheesh. I guess they don't teach youngsters reading comprehension between training sessions of magenta line tracking.

Richman
 
Richman said:
RTFP. I said "in days past", the XC requirement for the ATP was simply between two airports, regardless of the distance.

Sheesh. I guess they don't teach youngsters reading comprehension between training sessions of magenta line tracking.

Richman
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Oh sorry running a 102 fever... Misread it.
 
Richman said:
As to the XC requirement. You guys know in days past the FAA 50nm rule was only for private/commercial, and for the ATP, any flights with landings between two airports, regardless of distance, counted as XC?

If it's that much of a hurdle, and in some cases I don't doubt that it is, why not simply petition the Feds to change it back? Obviously in some cases, the Feds don't think TT matters, since they reduced the TT requirement for an instrument rating from 250 hours, to 125, then to no TT requirement at all.

Rather than peeing down your leg at the prospect, why not take charge and at least say you tried to get it changed?

Richman
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Tell me how to petition the government to change the 500XC requirement for an ATP certificate so that dual given counts for some, if not all of it, and I'll do it.
 
sounddoc said:
Tell me how to petition the government to change the 500XC requirement for an ATP certificate so that dual given counts for some, if not all of it, and I'll do it.
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There is a reason it doesn't count. Dual given may be great but it doesn't make up for leaving the area you're familiar with and dealing with problems you can't just run home for.
I'd change it to 150 miles if it were up to me.
Remember we're not only taking about 121 gear swinging privileges. There are more things an atp allows that i don't think a 1500 hour cfi has any business doing.
 
z987k said:
There is a reason it doesn't count. Dual given may be great but it doesn't make up for leaving the area you're familiar with and dealing with problems you can't just run home for.
I'd change it to 150 miles if it were up to me.
Remember we're not only taking about 121 gear swinging privileges. There are more things an atp allows that i don't think a 1500 hour cfi has any business doing.
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Meh. 89-nm segments at 200+ knots are fairly educational. (109 nm at 320 knots even more so. Ohhh jet IOE...)
 
rd757 said:
I've been teaching for about a year and a half and have over 1000 Dual Given. I'm just shy of 1500TT, but WAY short (250) of the required XC for ATP. At this pace, I'd probably have to teach several years to reach 500.
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Well said. The 1500 does not seem difficult to do in a matter of a few years of instructing. The bigger catch on the ATP rule is the 500 hours of XC because you're not even going to get half of that instructing students as you mentioned.

So where the hell do we get these 500 hours of XC? Considering you have about 100+/- once you obtain the CFI..and the other 400..?
 
JFlighttt said:
Well said. The 1500 does not seem difficult to do in a matter of a few years of instructing. The bigger catch on the ATP rule is the 500 hours of XC because you're not even going to get half of that instructing students as you mentioned.

So where the hell do we get these 500 hours of XC? Considering you have about 100+/- once you obtain the CFI..and the other 400..?
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You could do something besides CFI. You know, be more than a 1 trick pony.
 
JFlighttt said:
Well said. The 1500 does not seem difficult to do in a matter of a few years of instructing. The bigger catch on the ATP rule is the 500 hours of XC because you're not even going to get half of that instructing students as you mentioned.

So where the hell do we get these 500 hours of XC? Considering you have about 100+/- once you obtain the CFI..and the other 400..?
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For a nominal fee, I can teach you to be me.
 
JFlighttt said:
Well said. The 1500 does not seem difficult to do in a matter of a few years of instructing. The bigger catch on the ATP rule is the 500 hours of XC because you're not even going to get half of that instructing students as you mentioned.

So where the hell do we get these 500 hours of XC? Considering you have about 100+/- once you obtain the CFI..and the other 400..?
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Try to get on with a flight school with Chinese contract students. A portion of their training consists of going out and building experience and PIC time. You can turn all of those into xc flights.
 
JFlighttt said:
Well said. The 1500 does not seem difficult to do in a matter of a few years of instructing. The bigger catch on the ATP rule is the 500 hours of XC because you're not even going to get half of that instructing students as you mentioned.

So where the hell do we get these 500 hours of XC? Considering you have about 100+/- once you obtain the CFI..and the other 400..?
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I've gotten lots of x/c time by asking students if they want to fly to certain locations. Find a good restaurant, museum, fly-in or something that people will want to see. I've flown from NC to FL for Sun-n-Fun several time all at the student's expense. Be creative but be honest.
 
JustinS said:
So what was your suggestion for a fresh Commercial Pilot with a CFI and only 250 hours?
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First, look through 119.1. Lots of good stuff there. Even more vague? Part 91, 125 and 135. Those are all options. Not too long ago there was no one that did the CFI to 121 thing. That is a new phenomena, and maybe it's over, but I doubt it.
I don't and have never held a CFI. Somehow I managed to build hours and acquire an ATP without paying for a single one after my MCPL.(well not including the time recently in singles I've done for pure fun). Use your brain. Solving this for yourself is probably easiest thing you'll have to do in aviation.
But hey, I'm dangerous. Ask Autothrust Blue
 
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