I have been searching through the FARs to try and locate where it says that a student pilot must have their logbook on them. I thought it would be in 61.3 or in the student pilot section. Maybe I am blind here, but I cannot find the specific regulation for this. Can someone help? Thank you.
Student Pilot Required Documents
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tgrayson
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61.51(i)(2):
(2) A student pilot must carry the following items in the aircraft on all solo cross-country flights as evidence of the required authorized instructor clearances and endorsements -
(i) Pilot logbook;
(ii) Student pilot certificate; and
(iii) Any other record required by this section.
Ok now I just want to clarify something here.
61.1(b)(3)(i)
(A) Conducted by a person who holds a pilot certificate;
(B) Conducted in an aircraft;
(C) That includes a landing at a point other than the point of departure; and
(D) That involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems to navigate to the landing point.
What I am getting at is what is defined as "cross country flights." Since they don't hold a pilot certificate this definition doesn't seem as though it would apply.
However, 61.93 (a)(1)(ii) Making a solo flight and landing at any location other than the airport of origination.
This is under the solo cross country flight requirements section. So it would lead me to believe anytime they land somewhere else they need their logbook, which also makes logical sense. My problem is, there is no clear cut definition that I see, do you know of one?
tgrayson
New Member
Um, they'd better, or you'd be in trouble to solo them.
A student pilot certificate IS a pilot certificate.Um, they'd better, or you'd be in trouble to solo them.
:banghead: Brain fart...whoops.
Houston
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That is indeed the subject of much confusion. 14 CFR 61.93 talks about flights greater than 25 NM. 14 CFR 61.1(b)(3) talks about only flights of more than 50 NM counting towards a certificate as cross country flights. However, the FAA has held that any flight that lands at an airport other than the one from which it originated is a cross country flight.
Trying to put it in different words, any flight from one airport to another requires the student to comply with 14 CFR 61.93 (which includes carrying a logbook). Any flight that goes more than 25 NM from the point of origin even if the landing takes place at the point of origin also falls under the logbook carrying requirement. However, no flight counts towards certification as cross country unless it has a landing more than 50 NM from the original point of departure (with exceptions for helicopters and light sport).
MidlifeFlyer
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I think that, while that is probably correct, it over-complicates it. I like Houston's guideline. If the planned flight involves an landing at another airport - the general definition of a cross country – it requires the student to carry her logbook.
Agreed, I thought it was settled already when tgray pointed out my screw up...
61.1(b)(3)(i)
(A) Conducted by a person who holds a pilot certificate;
(B) Conducted in an aircraft;
(C) That includes a landing at a point other than the point of departure; and
(D) That involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems to navigate to the landing point.
That is the general definition and the student pilot cert is a cert, I dunno what I was thinking when I claimed it wasn't. This definition definitely makes it quite clear that a cross country, by definition, is any flight that involves landing at an airport other than the point of departure. Unless I am reading/interpreting that definition wrong midlife?
MidlifeFlyer
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You're reading the reg correctly but not my post. I was commenting on nosehair's suggestion that you can tell when a student needs to carry the logbook based on whether the student has gotten one of the endorsements. I was just saying that it's simpler to just use the cross country definition you just described.