MidlifeFlyer
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That's a really good point and a good question. Chances are that the revocation of a student certificate happens so little that there may not be a clear answer.
Student Cert. Revoked
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subpilot
Squawking 7600
The way I read it is that he should be able to still use his original written as long as it remains valid (within 24 months). When you take your private checkride, you have to turn in your written exam as it is part of the 8710 application. That specific exam has now been used in obtaining the said private certificate. If you had your private revoked then you would have to go take another written as the original has already been used.
Now with this student, the written he took has not been used yet as he never took his private checkride. He should only have to redo the requirements for a student certificate. I'm not a trial lawyer by any means but that is my take on it.
Now with this student, the written he took has not been used yet as he never took his private checkride. He should only have to redo the requirements for a student certificate. I'm not a trial lawyer by any means but that is my take on it.
PA44-LUV
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Looking at the applicable regulations and the FAA enforcement policy again, I'm leaning towards the written still being valid for his private practical, as long as its w/i the 24 calendar months. The student cert was revoked, and the only requirements as stated in the regs are age and language requirements. Since the private requires the written and flight exp. and it wasn't a private cert that was revoked, the written should still be valid.
The only "tests" for student will be the solo and cross-country writtens, so maybe those might have to be redone. (i.e. to get the instructor endorsements on the back?)
That's my logic. The only definitive answer would have to be obtained from the FAA Legal guys, I suppose. I love these forums, makes me realize how little I actually know.
Edit: looks like Subpilot beat me to it while I was typing.
The only "tests" for student will be the solo and cross-country writtens, so maybe those might have to be redone. (i.e. to get the instructor endorsements on the back?)
That's my logic. The only definitive answer would have to be obtained from the FAA Legal guys, I suppose. I love these forums, makes me realize how little I actually know.
Edit: looks like Subpilot beat me to it while I was typing.
I read it the same way, but as midlife said, who really knows since it likely hasn't been encountered much.
My vote, flip a coin. At least if it goes to trial you might give the judge a laugh and squeak by.
Judge: "How did you come to the conclusion that you didn't need to retake your written."
You: "I read 2150.3B, it was unclear so I flipped a coin and tails had it. Thank god cause I wasn't ready to take that pointless exam again. :bandit:"
TUCKnTRUCK
That guy
A number of years ago, I had a student go out for a solo, as he got out of the adiz around dc, he ran into clouds lower than expected, so he turned around. Unfortunately, popped the adiz on his turn before he had gotten a new squawk to return. If you are familure with the adiz, that results in an automatic suspension of your licence.
Straight from the fsdo's mouth, he could only take action against ratings held at the time of the incident, so the fsdo nicely dragged it's feet for 10 days untill the student obtained his ppl, and then took his student licence.
He was happy with the result
Straight from the fsdo's mouth, he could only take action against ratings held at the time of the incident, so the fsdo nicely dragged it's feet for 10 days untill the student obtained his ppl, and then took his student licence.
He was happy with the result
texas_pilot
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I had to read that again, sounds like a really cool fsdo.
N18040
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So the FSDO actually did something that made sense? That has to be nice.
The guy that dragged his feet probably go demoted for "giving positive customer service."
TheRestoftheStory
Well-Known Member
Interesting that several of the posts here support the idea of not taking action when an unsafe event happens. It tends to raise questions about the standards of aviation.
MidlifeFlyer
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Don't worry about it.
First of all, it's a student pilot so there's not much action of significance to take other than a blot on the record of a neophyte.
Second of all, if you've ever had to deal with a FSDO inspector (or, actually, any official enforcement officer of any kind) because of something that went awry, if you're one of the 'good guys' you know that the fear of what might happen is often enough to mend your ways significantly.
No one suggested that "no action" was good; just that "reasonable action" is better.
And, btw, my experience has been that most of the FSDO inspectors are reasonable.
So, if a student does something like this (taking passengers, flying when/where not endorsed), are you legally required as a CFI to take action? I mean, report him to FSDO? Would you file a NASA report? And if the FAA finds out about you not taking action, could you lose your certificate? (I'm asking since I haven't really started reading on the CFI material...)
I completely agree. The FAA totally dropped the ball on that one. If I were the fed in that case, I'd make sure that student never saw the inside of a plane ever again. Idiots like that have no place in this industry.
:yeahthat:
ClearedToTakeoff
Well-Known Member
But if you delete his number how will you know which number to avoid? Keep it in the phone book to screen calls
Bumblebee
Commodore
Are you talking about the DC ADIZ or the taking the Dad one?
Jshutt64
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Assuming you're talking about the Dad one...
I'm sure it was probably a teenager who had a serious lapse in judgment. Of course, that's part of being a teenager. He should be punished, for sure, but permanently restricted from an airplane? Of course not.
poser765
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I'm going to assume the taking the dad thing. Mainly out of hope and faith in the human race. If I am wrong, woe unto him the first time he messes up.
N18040
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If my student tried to return to the departure airport due to clouds and the clouds required him to bust airspace before he could contact ATC I would hope that he would bust the airspace. In my opinion it would be much safer for him to bust some airspace than to fly into the clouds. If anything, this should fall under the emergency authority of the PIC. Sure he busted the adiz, but he most likely would not have survived otherwise. As for a student pilot taking his dad flying, yeah that guy should get punished.