Strike authorization times
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surreal1221
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Its Obama's fault.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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Well, for starters, neither of the parties at Pinnacle have ever requested a release.
But it's more involved than that. Each situation is different. Spirit management wasn't even pretending to bargain in good faith. The Spirit pilots were spending more time in court than they were at the bargaining table, because Spirit management was unbelievably hostile. Negotiations were going nowhere. That sort of situation tends to encourage the NMB to put pressure on management by granting a release.
On the other hand, if the NMB thinks that talks are producing results, then they don't tend to issue a release.
ThatOtherDude
New Member
Anything over a year is crazy. This industry is messed up.
jynxyjoe
Queso King
Man, sounds like such a complicated process. TY all for the replies.
The railway labor act needs to be modernized.
But American voters, while most would benefit from one, hate labor.
Just wait until Air Tran gets released. There is going to be massive political pressure to 'do something!' to avoid what's going on with Spirit. Thus, making the situation even worse.
bareman
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The President also has the authority to appoint a "Presidential Emergency Board" to make a last ditch effort to get an agreement, which would be more likely to be employed with a bigger airline. Hey Doug, how do you think that would play out at YOUR shop?
Best case (and a dreamworld) scenario is that management will recognize the sacrifices we made during bankruptcy and the merger and understand the need to restore our contract.
In reality? Oh, it's going to be a massive drawn-out struggle and may lead to a strike. Hopefully, we've lobbied enough politicians to forgo the threat of a PEB. PEB's just make the situation worse by trying to help.
Sadly, our union hasn't been talking much about strike funds and preparation ahead of opening contract negotiations. We've had lots of polls, 'patting ourselves on our back' and defensiveness trying to quell any discontent with our leadership from the average line pilots, but very little prep for opening negotiations.
In reality? Oh, it's going to be a massive drawn-out struggle and may lead to a strike. Hopefully, we've lobbied enough politicians to forgo the threat of a PEB. PEB's just make the situation worse by trying to help.
Sadly, our union hasn't been talking much about strike funds and preparation ahead of opening contract negotiations. We've had lots of polls, 'patting ourselves on our back' and defensiveness trying to quell any discontent with our leadership from the average line pilots, but very little prep for opening negotiations.
SpiraMirabilis
Possible Subversive
The idea of modernizing the RLA is tempting but whose to say you won't get something worse?
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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Excellent point. That's the key risk. If you open it up, you risk the opposition sneaking in their own little additions to the bill that could make things even worse. Without veto-proof and filibuster-proof majorities, I wouldn't feel comfortable even trying.
SpiraMirabilis
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If we could actually hold both parties inside the RLA and have an NMB that can consistently do its job the RLA might not be so bad. I tried to educate myself on the subject when I was volunteering on the grievance committee (I was furloughed before I did much work there though.)
The RLA is designed to lock in both parties to it's negotiation and contract amending process. But one party has a "back door" (bankruptcy) outside of the RLA so it invariably makes the negotiation process skewed in Management's favor.
In any case it is the demon we know, at this point. I wouldn't mind seeing some way to make the NMB more independant, so if god forbid George W Bush #2 gets elected he won't be able to just shut down the process like last time.
bareman
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:yeahthat:
The President also has the authority to appoint a "Presidential Emergency Board" to make a last ditch effort to get an agreement, which would be more likely to be employed with a bigger airline. Hey Doug, how do you think that would play out at YOUR shop?
I dont ever see an airline delta's size being allowed to strike. under ANY administration. Heck, I dont even think they would let Airtran strike, and certainly not pinnacle, as thats basically a strike at Delta.
Get something worse? The RLA is a failure, it can't get any worse. It favors management and all management has to do is look like they are bargaining and they will never have to do anything. I don't understand how people from the government can allow negotiations to go on for more than 12 months.
This being the same people from government that many airline types want to give control to with re-regulation of the Airlines. Ironic.
.... that is wishful thinking. Even the goberment won't touch the airlines with a ten foot pole.
When government benefits me gov't=good. All other times: "we need less government, we are becoming too socialized, the sky is falling.........DOOOOOOOOOOOM!!
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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Tell that to Ben Baldanza and Bill Franke over at Spirit. I think they might disagree with you after the past few days.