Stick and Rudder..

Are you posting for yourself or someone else again?

Stop deflecting, Seggy. You have never landed on grass even, and you going to comment on the safety structure of Alaska flying? We don't know how it is up there. Those who have done it do. They make a living flying the airplane that way, and help people doing it. Like all flying, there is an inherent risk of danger, but they have a refined skill set that meets the challenge, and they can dwell in that balance.

If you don't want to do it, fine. If you don't want to improve your basic stick and rudder skills, fine. But don't tell others that he is showboating or it is unsafe when you have not even landed on a grass runway, just because you cannot/have not done it. The group think you speak of is a group of pilots, who like to fly the airplane, and like to learn more about it.

I am all ears, what is your point? My only bias is I like flying the airplane and I like to challenge my skill set.
 
Why is there a daily pic section on this web site? Because people who like to fly, like to see other people's experiences.


Once again that is like comparing apples and pasta. If someone posted stupid in the daily pics, which has happened, people would be all over them, which has also happened.
 
Yet, you seem to be the only person who judges the OP's video as "stupid"...

Really? Why don't you look at post 3 in this thread.

Also, I have been in the minority of opinion before, doesn't mean the majority is right.
 
I suppose all of the people posting videos of drag racing, speed boating, doing water ski tricks, bungee jumping, and certainly sky diving should just knock that unsafe, crazy crap off right now. People post videos of them doing the things that they enjoy doing. Some of those things have a higher risk level than, say, needlepoint point or even 121 flying. Why the heck does it matter? The guy has skill... he knows his airplane up, down, left, right, and probably even backwards. That's some really, really impressive stuff. Not everyone can be one with an airplane like that... in fact, I'd venture to say that MOST pilots don't have the skills or ability to do that. Is he "showing off?" Sure, and why the heck not? Is he promoting unsafe behavior? I don't think so. I don't think too many people are going to watch that video and think, "Huh! Imma give that a try this weekend in the rental 150! Hey Bill... wanna come along? Bring some beer."

It's funny how some folks have sorta forgotten what absolute FUN flying can be when it doesn't involve dials, buttons, FADEC, and FMS/FMC/TheMagicBox. If the guy was doing this with a load of people in a 1900? Yeah... probably not great. But it's just him and his pal. In a pair of friggin' Cubs, an aircraft that is more than capable of performing these maneuvers in the hands of a capable pilot... which this guy clearly is, showing remarkable seat-of-the-pants flying.

Good for him, and hope he keeps the dirty side down while he's having the time of his life. I, for one, am seriously jealous.
 
@Seggy you are like a little kid standing by the fence at an airport. You see a plane come in, probably in a stiff crosswind, and say aloud, "'Man that pilot is doing something stupid."
Where upon an actual pilot, who flies that same airplane walks up and says, "No son, that is quite safe, yadda-yadda..."

Lick your wounds, eat some humble pie and sit down when someone (many in this thread) have told you to.
 
Nice try putting words into my mouth. The context of what I was talking about dealt with industrial issues, not safety issues.

No rhetoric. Different context COMPLETELY.
I can do it to. You're wrong. I didn't put words in your mouth. I quoted words you said. You're just not getting it. It's not about the subject. It's about some one you view as "green" or inexperienced commenting on some thing you're experienced in, and you negating those views for their lack of experience. People here are telling you about some thing they are experienced in. You however THINK you have the experience to comment. They like you in the other thread are telling you, you don't. Make sense?

You like to speak about group think and deflect. That's what people do when they're being singled out. It's always the twenty other people that have a problem, it can't possibly be the person being picked on. When the only thing those people have in common is having an issue with the same person twenty different ways.
 
Also, I have been in the minority of opinion before, doesn't mean the majority is right.

Being in the minority doesn't make you wrong. Being wrong makes you wrong. But I doubt anybody would expect you to get that. Bigots are funny.
 
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@Seggy you are like a little kid standing by the fence at an airport. You see a plane come in, probably in a stiff crosswind, and say aloud, "'Man that pilot is doing something stupid."
Where upon an actual pilot, who flies that same airplane walks up and says, "No son, that is quite safe, yadda-yadda..."

Lick your wounds, eat some humble pie and sit down when someone (many in this thread) have told you to.

Who are you to lecture anyone about humility?
 
Seggy....as for Alaska flying which the discussion evolved to fairly quickly......have you ever watched the tv shows such as Mountain Men, Flying Wild Alaska, Alaska State Troopers, Ice Pilots, Wild West Guns Alaska, Alaska's Toughest Pilots, Buying Alaska, Alaska Wing Men, Tougher in Alaska?? These are shows which air and many have aired around the world and many in several seasons. They have details and examples of the type of flying done in Alaska, the Yukon and in Northern Canada.

Now here you have entire tv shows showing the type of flying in all kinds of wx, conditions,terrain, winds, hell you name it, throughout Alaska, the Yukon and Northern Canada and you are upset over one You Tube video which demonstrates the same thing seen on many of these shows?

You do realize that the type of flying shown in that video happens often up there.......that is just for example for, hunters, fisherman, skiers, geologists, climbers, gold miners, an array of scientists, hikers, goods and supplies, the mail and packages, rescuers, sightseers, campers, the inspections done by fish and game, pipeline workers, remote tiny villages or locations (yes people live out in the middle of nowhere up there where their nearest neighbor might be 150 miles away) that must be serviced, people who must be taken to larger cities for health reasons, and much more are brought to and from remote locations in the state which include the necessity of landing on the sides of mountains, on ice fields, on sand and gravel bars, river banks, on grass strips or fields, on home made runways which can be covered with snow, slipping through mountain passes and valleys,and that there are thousands of locales in Alaska which can only be traversed by air?? And that it has been this way since the first bush pilots flew there?

A pilot who can do what this pilot did with his plane and the skill that he obviously has, will be less likely to have a serious incident IMO, because he can pull something like this off if he has too. It does not mean that he flies like this all the time. It shows what he is capable of doing and how his aircraft can perform when or if he needs it to.

If nothing else, Alaska is the ultimate flight training environment. Many, many pilots there are also airframe and power plant mechanics. They have to be. They know the performance limits, can effect repairs, can modify and maintain their planes far better than most pilots in the lower 48.

According to the Alaska Department of Transportation, there is something like one registered pilot for every 58 residents there! There are 6 times the pilots there than anywhere else in the United States. One has to look at the extreme conditions, the smaller aircraft use, the extreme wx and terrain, and the types of flying done, when looking at accident/incident rates there.

I can bet you that pilots who have flown for years there, have better stick and rudder skills, judgement, and have had to deal with a more wider range of issues and conditions than most pilots in most other locales in the lower 48 have.

It's very disappointing to me that with no experience in the type of flying done in AK, you seem so ready to dismiss the history of aviation up there, the conditions, the aircraft, the nature of the flying there and those members here who do that type of flying for a living whom I admire, respect and enjoy listening to them. I try to learn something from them, and very much enjoy the videos and photos that they post here and their bank of knowledge on the types of flying, the various locations and in the equipment that they fly in AK and the advice, discussions and support they have given me about many things in AK, as I intend to have my own little adventure/life time dream there when I retire.

Take the blinders and the mindset off for a moment.
 
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With all the discussion going on, I looked up the pilot, Greg Miller, based on the data given on his web page for the "Big Rocks, Long Props" video series.

The pilot has a CPL and PPL priveledges for SES as well. It looks like he built the aircraft he's flying, a Bushwhacker SuperCub variant, serial #001.

According to the kit manufacturer, the SuperCubXP kit with an O-233 has a 1700fpm climb, 100 ft t/o roll, and a 200 ft landing roll.

Seems to me he's operating the aircraft within its limits and within his piloting capabilities/limits.

Oh yeah, he's not Alaskan, and the DVD it came from, while off airport, isn't Alaska.

If we're going to discuss/debate/beat up/judge lets at least get the facts straight so we can deride bush pilots as a whole and not just Alaska aviation.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion here. Me personally, the clips I've sen of his flying looks more safe than the night IMC A/Rs with Iragi fireworks that we were doing over southern Irag during the opening of OIF.

Those were safe and within our operating limits, too.


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