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azaviator08

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For the commercial standards it says recovery at the first indication of the stall?

Would the stall horn be an indication of a stall? Because I mean technically the stall happens within 5 knots of the stall horn. Or should the student wait until the buffet because that technically is the first indication of stall happening???
 
checking out the Commercial PTS in my hand it says "as the stall occurs." My interpretation that I teach my students, along with the CLT FSDO, is that as the stall occurs means the subsequent loss of lift. The ATP standard is at the first indication which would be the horn, a light, or buffeting.. whichever comes first.
 
yeah, I've got 12B.. effective August 1, 2002. Only change to the PTS I'm aware of is that a FADEC (Full Authority Digital Engine Control) could be used for the test.. this was as of 2/3/2009... granted it fulfills the a/c requirement
 
"as the stall occurs" is the current PTS on the FAA's website.

As far as its meaning, would a stall warning horn/light meant he stall is occuring? I would say no as the POH of most aircraft say they will come on 5-10 seconds before a stall occurs. Buffeting would be the beginning of the stall and would be the best time to start a recovery.
 
6. Recognizes and recovers promptly as the stall occurs by simultaneously reducing the angle of attack, increasing power to maximum allowable, and leveling the wings to return to a straightand- level flight attitude with a minimum loss of altitude appropriate for the airplane.
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From FAA-S-8081-12B, the Commercial Pilot PTS
 
well here's the difference though. ATP- "At the first indication".. that means it's not occuring.. horn, buffet.. Commercial- "as the stall occurs" means you have exceeded the critical angle of attack and have caused a stall. I went into the commercial training thinking the same thing- "as it occurs would be the horn, buffet, etc." When it was pointed out the difference in wording by the ATP and Commercial, it made sense. You could say that the warning or imminent stall like the horn or buffeting isn't really a stall since you haven't exceeded the critical angle of attack. Make sense?
 
"First Indication"-means exactly that.

What ever "Indication" of a stall hits you "first"-then you recover.
 
There is what the book says and then it is also important to always ask each DPE you ride with for Commercial and beyond in the multitude of possible checkrides, if he wants the buffet or the horn?

Some guys don't plan on you getting to the buffet, and in their eyes you were not prompt in your recovery.

Two way communication is key here like it is in many other aspects of flying.
 
Going back in the memory banks, as I recall the commercial PTS was at first indication...meaning horn, buffet, etc. Not sure when it changed (or if my memory is incorrect).
 
escapepilot said:
Going back in the memory banks, as I recall the commercial PTS was at first indication...meaning horn, buffet, etc. Not sure when it changed (or if my memory is incorrect).
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Hasn't been that way in 12 years, at least. However, it's what a lot of CFIs teach, so that may be where you picked it up. The only place in the Commecial PTS you're supposed to recover at first indications is when doing a Vmc loss of directional control maneuver.
 
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