Spooky Spooky Spooky

[minitour]

Yup, women just can't fly. extreme

Next they'll be wanting to drive and vote....back in the kitchen and make me some pie!!!

Nah...the last SIC I had was a female and she was great. Knew her stuff, but wasn't afraid to ask questions and learn either. Good stick too.

-mini

 

[Chris_Ford]

Best Capt I ever flew with was a woman.

Can't believe we're even having this conversation.

Thanks Chris Ford....

Find me where I said all women were bad pilots? And explain to me how you knowing one good female pilot negates the poor airmanship (that you claim that I say they have)...

Besides, don't you have some 14 year old boy to be mentoring?

 

[ppragman]

Two of the best pilots I've ever met were women.
Hate to bag on the OP but you might want to look at yourself to see if you could change anything. The job of the FO isn't to watch the Captain eff up and think damn I could do that better. Maybe breifing that departure better or adding something you think might be a common mistake. As a right seater for the first time in my life I learned real quick, even though they may be the skipper and have more time then you, they aren't perfect and make mistakes just as often if not more often as the right seaters. You should watch them like a hawk at all times, male or female. I hope my Co-Pilots in a month do the same favor for me.

Look at myself to see if I should change anything? Believe me, I watch all of them, I've ahd all of them screw up, and I've screwed up plenty too. Its just spooky to watch something like this happen and have to say something about something like following the DP. She didn't even have it out.

Look, I'm just as fallible as the next guy, its just that the FO shouldn't have to correct the captain on basic #### like following the DP, or just punching in "Direct, Enter" instead of following the airway. Is there plenty to learn? Yes. Are there things I'm not up to par on? Yes. But should I have to keep her from turning us into the mountains? No. The situational awareness required to be a captain should preclude incidences such as this.

This is not a sexism thing. I've flown with great women pilots, and I've flown with horrible men pilots. That is completely irrelevant. But to be a captain flying in hardcore mountainous terrain in Alaska, they should know better. Believe me, I'm not gods gift to pilots, I still screw up plenty often. Hell, I've got 1000TT only, but I should not have to babysit a captain.

 

[Velocipede]

Its the F/O's responsibility to help the Captain conduct the flight safely. And if that means "correcting" him/her, that's part of the job.

 

[WalterSobchak]

My very first CA off of OE was a female pilot. We had an awesome trip and she was great all around.

I had another trip with her two months later and was looking forward to it because of how great the last trip was. However... when I showed up... she had just been "screwed" (her words) by crew scheduling since she was on reserve... and she was so mad about that issue with CS that it was all she seemed to focus on. As a result... the flight deck became very uncomfortable and the micro-managing began. It was just weird and uncomfortable... like it was two completely different people. She couldn't let the CS issue go... and got so wound up in it that it affected our CRM.

I too have had quite a few scary male pilots... but I think the dynamics are just a bit different on the flight deck when it's a female/male or female/female flight deck. So the situations tend to stick out in our memories a bit more.

That said, I've had a rash of female FO's lately... junior ones too... and quite frankly... they were better pilots than I remember being when I was in their seat and at their seniority level.

Bob

Didn't know my wife had a job in aviation?:laff:

 

[mikecweb]

Look at myself to see if I should change anything? Believe me, I watch all of them, I've ahd all of them screw up, and I've screwed up plenty too. Its just spooky to watch something like this happen and have to say something about something like following the DP. She didn't even have it out.

Look, I'm just as fallible as the next guy, its just that the FO shouldn't have to correct the captain on basic #### like following the DP, or just punching in "Direct, Enter" instead of following the airway. Is there plenty to learn? Yes. Are there things I'm not up to par on? Yes. But should I have to keep her from turning us into the mountains? No. The situational awareness required to be a captain should preclude incidences such as this.

This is not a sexism thing. I've flown with great women pilots, and I've flown with horrible men pilots. That is completely irrelevant. But to be a captain flying in hardcore mountainous terrain in Alaska, they should know better. Believe me, I'm not gods gift to pilots, I still screw up plenty often. Hell, I've got 1000TT only, but I should not have to babysit a captain.

Nothing is basic in flying. And if anything DPs are pretty high up on the hard list. If she neglected to brief the DP perhaps you shoulda butted in prior to takeoff. Something that I've added in all of my takeoff briefings. F/Os need to partake in those briefings.
You aren't there to enjoy the view and you know this. Just don't be afraid to pipe up. You might get a "no ####" but you might also get an "oh #### thanks I woulda missed that".

Its the F/O's responsibility to help the Captain conduct the flight safely. And if that means "correcting" him/her, that's part of the job.

:yeahthat:

 

[DavCo]

Now, I've had male and female students of all levels and the main difference I see is... men can put aside (personal) problems a lot easier then females.

I had this one female student actually fight with her ex through a whole preflight, at which time I chatted with her and sent her home. And I had a male student tell me, after his Stage 4 Inst stage check (141) that he passed, that his father (and role model) had passed away two nights prior.

But females are very quick learners and can usually learn to put aside personal issues during their tenure as a pilot. But hey, everyone lapses sometimes... I would ask around and see if this was a common trend with this captain, who knows, maybe you'll save lives...

Or maybe she was just friggin hung over, tired or comin down with the cold. Thats why we have 2 pilots in the CP. I'm happy you were there to keep it safe, good work airmen...

 

[fo4ever]

Now, about the women thing. I've flown with tons of capable women, but I've noticed that the "can't see the forest through all the trees" type of captains seem predominantly female. They'll micromanage the FO, but when it is their turn to fly, point it at some cumulogranites. This isn't to say ALL females are bad, or males are better than females, but in this one particular description you gave, it wasn't all that uncommon from what I have seen. Males tend not to micromanage. They might be lazy or just plain jerks, but micromanaging tends not to be a male thing.

What do you think about the Tuskegee Airmen?

 

[ppragman]

Nothing is basic in flying. And if anything DPs are pretty high up on the hard list. If she neglected to brief the DP perhaps you shoulda butted in prior to takeoff. Something that I've added in all of my takeoff briefings. F/Os need to partake in those briefings.
You aren't there to enjoy the view and you know this. Just don't be afraid to pipe up. You might get a "no ####" but you might also get an "oh #### thanks I woulda missed that".

You're kidding right?

 

[mikecweb]

You're kidding right?

Putting the gear down is pretty basic. How many gear up landings have there been?

 

[SlumTodd_Millionaire]

99% of the girls I've flown with were great. There's always that "one" that has slipped through the cracks. We had one like that at 9E, though she was finally canned. The saying was that if you had flown with her, you had been a captain for a trip.

I did a couple trips with this one.... she was SUPER nice and easy to get along with- a very very good person...but she should have never been allowed to upgrade.

Sadly, I know exactly who you're talking about. I had to fly two whole months with her. Flying single-pilot in an RJ for a month is a major pain in the ass.