Screaming_Emu
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Because he is looking for an opportunity to point out that he is mr super awesome brown package delivery pilot and we aren't and every other job sucks.
Spirit getting 75 more airbuses?
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Because he is looking for an opportunity to point out that he is mr super awesome brown package delivery pilot and we aren't and every other job sucks.
BEEF SUPREME
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So what's your point?
Ever hear the saying it's all relative?
BTW I'm not certain I would never go 121 but as of now I have absolutely no interest in any 121 carrier.
CzechAirman
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ZapBrannigan
If it ain’t a Boeing, I’m not going. No choice.
Look, we all have to look critically at these opportunities. It isn't all about pay, shiny jets, or Caribbean overnights. Most people would take a pay cut for a job like this -- perhaps for many years. You need to examine Spirit for what it is and make the personal decision as to whether the benefits outweigh the costs.
It is responsible to do this before you pursue any new job.
It is responsible to do this before you pursue any new job.
Pilotforhire587
Lycra Man
lostplanetairman
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Ugh. Give me a break! I did not leave to go to Spirit out of despiration. I had a ton of hours and PIC time as did many or most.
The QOL at Spirit is an industry standard that I hope all the unions at the legacy carriers will want to emulate. After all, Millenials or Gen Y's want quality of life over everything, says the research provided by my HRDiva wife. You won't have QOL unless you emulate what we have in our contract. Money isn't everything. Being with family and friends is so important; we have that in our contract.
Gotta go to work now...to be back home for family on Thursday...
skyw82
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I admit, flying a grownup airplane is part of it but a very small part of it.
Maybe I misunderstood you but your tone about spirit is that it's a lower end airline and that is not true.
To each his own. I agree, from a regional pilot anything is better than where we are at but that doesn't mean I would go to just anywhere.
I agree, that is why I'm trying to get on with them asap.
I must be missing something. Can anyone clue me in?
Maurus
The Great Gazoo
It is very easy to look at the pay and not see the hidden goodies I the contract.
I am looking at spirit for the QOL aspect. Spirit will have my app when I have some more experience.
CzechAirman
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What are some of the hidden "goodies" in the spirit contract? What makes thier QOL allegedly so outstanding?
Maurus
The Great Gazoo
Lostplanetairman can answer that question better than I.
I'm curious, who do you fly for? UPS maybe?
UPS use to be a place where the "rejects" were going after they couldn't make the cut at the majors. At least that is how it was viewed during the 80s and 90s. Spirit is a smaller and newer airline than most majors and still needs some time for the contract to mature. Sometimes a place that seems like a risk could end up being a gold mine for a pilot. Fedex, UPS, and Southwest were all risks at one point and seemed to have worked out extremely well for their pilots while the "established" airlines have gotten the shaft in the mean time.
Would I love to work at UPS or some other top notch place. You bet. I'll have my app in once I get the experience they want (shuttle landings will be tough to get these days). I'm a person that has no problems with looking at several good opportunities and attempting to make one of them work. Put the apps in wherever you are qualified. You never know who may call first.
Obviously there are bad "major" airlines out there, but Spirit isn't one of them. Especially with the work they put in to improve their last contract I can see their heads are on straight. Who knows what the next contract will look like with this pilot group.
I'm curious, who do you fly for? UPS maybe?
UPS use to be a place where the "rejects" were going after they couldn't make the cut at the majors. At least that is how it was viewed during the 80s and 90s. Spirit is a smaller and newer airline than most majors and still needs some time for the contract to mature. Sometimes a place that seems like a risk could end up being a gold mine for a pilot. Fedex, UPS, and Southwest were all risks at one point and seemed to have worked out extremely well for their pilots while the "established" airlines have gotten the shaft in the mean time.
Would I love to work at UPS or some other top notch place. You bet. I'll have my app in once I get the experience they want (shuttle landings will be tough to get these days). I'm a person that has no problems with looking at several good opportunities and attempting to make one of them work. Put the apps in wherever you are qualified. You never know who may call first.
Obviously there are bad "major" airlines out there, but Spirit isn't one of them. Especially with the work they put in to improve their last contract I can see their heads are on straight. Who knows what the next contract will look like with this pilot group.
BEEF SUPREME
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135.
I must admit the thought of walking through the aircraft door turning left and not taking to one pax sounds pretty good.
Curiously, what's so bad about Spirit? They seem like most other 121 airlines from what I know of them, which admittedly isn't a ton.
And chalk up another guy who wants nothing to do with 121 pax ops. Just no interest in it. Other who do it and like it, or desire for it, more power to them. Good on them.
ZapBrannigan
If it ain’t a Boeing, I’m not going. No choice.
The biggest problem I see is payrates that very closely mirror Virgin America but are dramatically lower than jetBlue and other Airbus narrowbody operators. Granted there is room for improvement, and it's always good to get in on the ground floor of something, but for the qualified candidate with substantial experience who would typically take a paycut for a few years to go to work for a "major" (for lack of a better term) he or she will be looking for the break even point -- that point at which the loss you take for those first few years is erased -- and then higher pay during subsequent years. Since you can't count on upgrades in any definite timeframe (sure, i'll be the one who says it.) you really need to see that value proposition exist in the copilot payrates. I just don't see that at Spirit.
It's the "Every airline sucks except the one ****I**** (say I but no one really knows if I really) work for" syndrome.
Airbus makes a great jet.
We've got good people working for Spirit that seem happy.
Fly jets. Make money. Drink beer. No one needs to engage in an "aero penis"-measuring contest. Because all y'all are going to lose to XForces, KLB, Max and I anyway cuz "It's twoo it's twoo".
Have a great Turkey Day folks! Atch cha cha CHA!
Screaming_Emu
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I have the opposite...my airline blows
RPM
Well-Known Member
Can you tell us more about the QOL things in the contract? Are there lots of day trips and two day trips? If I could do that out of this new LAS base I would be happy, I don't need to make 200K a year, QOL is FAR more important than pay rates for me.. These crappy regional 4-6 day trips make me want to quit this career forever and never look back..
