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wheelsup said:
All I said was just to your job
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If you are doing your job differently than you were doing your job 6 months ago, it would be considered a status quo violation. So yes, continuing to do your job the exact same way you always have is absolutely fine. Doing your job any differently than you have in the past isn't.

SrFnFly227 said:
It means that until things are back to status quo, the pilot group will likely never be released for strike.
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And if things don't go back to the way they were the judge will probably hold the ALPA unit in contempt of his order.
 
BobDDuck said:
If you are doing your job differently than you were doing your job 6 months ago, it would be considered a status quo violation. So yes, continuing to do your job the exact same way you always have is absolutely fine. Doing your job any differently than you have in the past isn't.



And if things don't go back to the way they were the judge will probably hold the ALPA unit in contempt of his order.
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Then every canceled flight is considered 'damages' and the company holds this million dollar debt over their heads in negotiations.
 
NickH said:
Then every canceled flight is considered 'damages' and the company holds this million dollar debt over their heads in negotiations.
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Yes and no. In general, contempt charges are about you ignoring the judge, not the damages you've caused. That said, in coming up with a punishment, the judge probably will look at those damages. @jtrain609 can probably speak way better to that.
 
Back in the day the APA was almost bankrupted by their sickout actions and the union leaders threated with federal jail time. In the end it was negotiated away in a new contract, but the damage was done and the cost deducted from the value of the new contract.
 
broncoav8r said:
Yea...the percentages... all the percentages tell you is what percentage of pairings are in that pairing pool. They aren't linked to your seniority percentage in any way at all. One of the very few holes in AOS in general. The algorithm that it uses however is outstanding.
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To clarify when I say percentages I mean if I'm bidding 45% they are telling us bid an additional 10% so I should solve no later than 55% of pairings. No clue if it's true but so far it's worked every month since we switched in October. But it could be a worthless made up stat. Regardless I like the program, just wish they had more layovers
 
Box hauler said:
Great, so a judge ordered back to status quo....... so what, That literally does nothing. A lawyer isn't going to come to my house and make me choose a trip from open time.
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No, put they can impose penalties on your union for not taking a trip from open time.

Question for the the legal minded folks though, is it possible to negotiate a hold harmless clause for a pilot group not taking as much open time flying as the company would like?
 
drunkenbeagle said:
No, put they can impose penalties on your union for not taking a trip from open time.

Question for the the legal minded folks though, is it possible to negotiate a hold harmless clause for a pilot group not taking as much open time flying as the company would like?
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How would penalties on the union impact the individual pilot?
 
L-16B said:
To clarify when I say percentages I mean if I'm bidding 45% they are telling us bid an additional 10% so I should solve no later than 55% of pairings. No clue if it's true but so far it's worked every month since we switched in October. But it could be a worthless made up stat. Regardless I like the program, just wish they had more layovers
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The stat gets people into a lot more trouble than you would think. There is a lot more than just number of available pairings that goes into making a viable line. Pairing distribution plays a much bigger role than percentage of pairings available. Ex: December when pairings aren't evenly distributed, having 55% available still isn't enough, because 45% of them start on the same days. I found viewing the pairings within each pool was a far more effective method to determining if your bid could yield a line, so much so that I almost completely ignored the percentage bars on the prioritize layers page.
 
We got sued for not flying historic levels of overtime.

The burden of proof is pretty low, sadly. Plus, all the social media posts, even so-called private posts, tend to show up and used against our group.

Not saying it's right, I'm saying it's happened before.
 
BigZ said:
From purely non-airline outside I wouldn't bet on the pilot group on this. I have been following for a while, looks like was a waiting game to see who looses the nerve first and starts doing things that will be used against them
The outcome remains to be seen, naturally, and there will be a resolution of some sort eventually, but it's not looking a) pretty, b) like the pilot group is winning

Best course of action - claim the website was set up by the Russians
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The company doesn't have to do anything. Just by playing the waiting game they are winning in labor cost savings.
 
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We got Bendoed......What an epic failure.
 
Nark said:
I really hope they subpoena me for not picking up opentime...



I hope the MEC can see the forest through the trees, but what a slap in the face.
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It's not one person (you) not picking up open time. If you look at 2014, 2015, and 2016, the airline has historical data of pilots and the amount of open time they pick up every given month. They record and track that stuff. And APC in that timeframe had lots of NK guys talking about their 120+ hr credit months, MUPs, flying on vacation, opentime adds, JA acceptance, etc.

Then fast forward to 2017, 2 yrs beyond the contract amendable date. Now people are ticked (and rightfully so). The only problem was some pilots just couldn't help but start posting to stop picking up open time, do only your own monthly award flights, and then harassed those who were picking up open time, including writing out names and even creating a derogatory website. Their goal was to 'educate' other pilots and there were multiple threads with multiple posts about this very topic. The 'good' news is it worked. The 'bad' news is they left a trail of evidence online. Hence the injunction.

Are they subpoenaing any pilots? Hard to imagine they have a guy or a group of guys narrowed down. The crew sked voicemails never identified (I hope) by name who was making the open time threats. Maybe they can subpoena APC and give up user names, emails, and IP addresses? Who knows.
 
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