Spirit Contract Now

FlySooner9 said:
How quickly could a new hire get DFW?
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According to the most recent Seniority list released this week the most Junior DFW FO is was Hired Sept 1st.

Everyone Gets ACY during training and most are able to bit out of it before the end of OE. I was hired 4/1 and have 318 under me already, Hiring should continue in the 300+ range this year.
 
Never fails someone always diminishes the whole contract by the talking point of "year 1 pay!!!". I mean you're in the wheel house for 1/4 of that anyways.

Looks good. Now I'm really wondering if the competitive mins will go back up...like Allegiant? I know a few buddies who just did right seat regional to right seat LCC like Spirit/Allegiant. Something tells me more experienced people will be applying though. Just a guess from a noob.
 
tcco94 said:
Never fails someone always diminishes the whole contract by the talking point of "year 1 pay!!!". I mean you're in the wheel house for 1/4 of that anyways.

Looks good. Now I'm really wondering if the competitive mins will go back up...like Allegiant? I know a few buddies who just did right seat regional to right seat LCC like Spirit/Allegiant. Something tells me more experienced people will be applying though. Just a guess from a noob.
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People are going from the right seat at a regional to right seat at Delta and United...
 
FlySooner9 said:
People are going from the right seat at a regional to right seat at Delta and United...
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I never said they weren't? Lol. What does that have to do with Spirits contract?

Also, everyone I was talking about all had college degrees. So before I get a response back that maybe you should be "educated" and you don't have to work at Spirit. Kinda feels like that's going to be your next assumption. :rolleyes:
 
tcco94 said:
Never fails someone always diminishes the whole contract by the talking point of "year 1 pay!!!". I mean you're in the wheel house for 1/4 of that anyways.

Looks good. Now I'm really wondering if the competitive mins will go back up...like Allegiant? I know a few buddies who just did right seat regional to right seat LCC like Spirit/Allegiant. Something tells me more experienced people will be applying though. Just a guess from a noob.
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You can take it for what it's worth but the majority of my class were RJ Captains. Competitive Min should go back up, I would expect an aircraft order announcement after its all said and done.
 
skypilot6 said:
You can take it for what it's worth but the majority of my class were RJ Captains. Competitive Min should go back up, I would expect an aircraft order announcement after its all said and done.
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I believe it! I just know of a few handful of those right seat to right seat stories. Doesn't really feel like that's "reality" just something that happens if you can get lucky.
 
Maximillian_Jenius said:
Noob question. Why do most pilot groups seem to really dislike PBS, and treat it like the Boogie Man?
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PBS won't let you bid into conflict, which makes most lineholders 10 or more percent above on the year. It's only for lineholders though :/.

Pbs gives you this wide variety of schedules and most positive attitude people create reasons why "oh thats nice" and pilots need to feel theres a plan B which they can see in advance. If a pilot has an ability to plan ahead, even if there's nothing they can do, they can "feel good" or in control.

PBS will at some point bite you, line bidding gives you the impression "looks, that's all the flying out there, the job has to get done. While PBS is the same thing, pilots don't perceive it that way. PBS often does some math you find out 2months later has been screwing you, but "it's what you bid!" Because "it's your preference!". Once you fix that a pilot is usually better off.

So line bidding gets you more money, makes you feel more in control (stupid and wrong), and you're gonna feel stupid using pbs at some point and it's all your fault. Pilots want to believe theyre doctor-lawyer rocket-surgeonry, so that hurts the ego.
 
jynxyjoe said:
Maximillian_Jenius said:
Noob question. Why do most pilot groups seem to really dislike PBS, and treat it like the Boogie Man?
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PBS won't let you bid into conflict, which makes most lineholders 10 or more percent above on the year. It's only for lineholders though :/.

Pbs gives you this wide variety of schedules and most positive attitude people create reasons why "oh thats nice" and pilots need to feel theres a plan B which they can see in advance. If a pilot has an ability to plan ahead, even if there's nothing they can do, they can "feel good" or in control.

PBS will at some point bite you, line bidding gives you the impression "looks, that's all the flying out there, the job has to get done. While PBS is the same thing, pilots don't perceive it that way. PBS often does some math you find out 2months later has been screwing you, but "it's what you bid!" Because "it's your preference!". Once you fix that a pilot is usually better off.

So line bidding gets you more money, makes you feel more in control (stupid and wrong), and you're gonna feel stupid using pbs at some point and it's all your fault. Pilots want to believe theyre doctor-lawyer rocket-surgeonry, so that hurts the ego.
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Line bidding only gets you more money if you get paid for transition conflicts. Otherwise at both airlines I’ve worked it cost you money bc any conflicts were dropped unpaid.

The big argument for line building is it requires more pilots. That’s why giving it up is a concession. More jobs.

For monthly bidding I much prefer PBS. No question.
 
learhawkerbe400 said:
Line bidding only gets you more money if you get paid for transition conflicts. Otherwise at both airlines I’ve worked it cost you money bc any conflicts were dropped unpaid.

The big argument for line building is it requires more pilots. That’s why giving it up is a concession. More jobs.

For monthly bidding I much prefer PBS. No question.
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LOL, it never occurred to me someone might have unpaid conflict. Yourcontract had zero protection for that?

So if you were assigned training and you bid every line that put you over the top, say a trip worth 25 while your in 16 hours worth of training, would you have a 25 hour drop or a 9 hour drop?

What if you tried your best and that was the junior line?

If you had a carryout worth 10 and a one day came up on your bidded line worth 6, would you have a 4 hour drop or a 6 or a 10?

To the readers: not hard to see why line bidding makes more money if you're pay protected.
 
jynxyjoe said:
learhawkerbe400 said:
Line bidding only gets you more money if you get paid for transition conflicts. Otherwise at both airlines I’ve worked it cost you money bc any conflicts were dropped unpaid.

The big argument for line building is it requires more pilots. That’s why giving it up is a concession. More jobs.

For monthly bidding I much prefer PBS. No question.
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LOL, it never occurred to me someone might have unpaid conflict. Yourcontract had zero protection for that?

So if you were assigned training and you bid every line that put you over the top, say a trip worth 25 while your in 16 hours worth of training, would you have a 25 hour drop or a 9 hour drop?

What if you tried your best and that was the junior line?

If you had a carryout worth 10 and a one day came up on your bidded line worth 6, would you have a 4 hour drop or a 6 or a 10?

To the readers: not hard to see why line bidding makes more money if you're pay protected.
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Its been a while but i believe at Airways if you had training and a trip conflicted the trip was dropped and so was all the trips credit. You were only paid for the value of training.

For carryover trips you kept your outgoing trip and had to drop the next months trip with all of its credit. So using your example you’d keep your outgoing 10 credit and lose the one day worth 6 in the new month.

I love our PBS system at aa.
 
Line bidding nets a me a conflict maybe 3or4 times a year. Let's say average conflict is 20hrs. So...4x20=80hrs @$127/hour... $10,000 ish for the year.

I don't know the 4year CA rate is, let's say $215/hr.

New pay rates, 0 conflicts because of PBS, I'll be nearly $100,000 ahead of current book rates.
I'm suppose to die on the "line bidding" hill for a potential $10,000, and lose out on ~$90,000?

Yeah, okay.

Looking at other stuff in the proposal, it doesn't look like we've conceded a lot of our current "goodies." Reserve red/green. Gaining scope language and LTD. Huge gains.

Like @ATN_Pilot said, probably an overwhelming pass.
 
FlySooner9 said:
Can someone explain the reserve red/green thing?
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We need 5 guys on reserve for day X. If we have 6 or more, it's "green" and a guy can drop that reserve day.
5 or less, it's "Red" and they can't drop the day.

Many will drop a day in the middle of the reserve period, to avoid a 4 day. Or, pick up a Jr man, which nets 200% / hr, whatever works for them.

Brass tax dude. If you're going to apply, apply. If not, good luck in your endeavors.
 
Sheesh just gathering information. My last shop didn’t have such a thing. I’m not applying anywhere till this summer for family reasons.
 
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