Spin Training

[mtsu_av8er]

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I did mine in a 150, and it was hard to get it to spin.

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So different from our 152....

"Now, this is what a power off stall shou.....^$@#, my airplane..."

 

[Josh]

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Not wanting to hijack the thread, but I'll be doing my spin training in a Katana.

Anyone else spun a Katana? I've never even flown one.

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They spin fine. But like most new stuff, it is stable, and hard to get to stay in a spin. It'll develop into a steep spiral if you let some of the control inputs go.

Use a little bit of power to get into it, and that'll help.

Play with it a bit, and let the CFI know you want to do accelerated spins. Do them until you are comfortable talking through all phases of the spin calmly, as you recover. An extra hour or so doing that now will help if you get get into one accidentally in the future. In my opinion, any CFI should be able to talk through and smartly recover from 1/2, 1, 1.5 or 2 or more turn spins in any aircraft they fly approved for intentional spins. Definitely ask for more than just the one hour signoff type of rush through thing.

 

[Josh]

I had a guy get into about 1/2 turn this morning in the PA38. Those happen all the time; a blast. If we were higher, I would have helped him hold it in longer

He did a great recovery of it, before getting too far. So we talked about how what he did prevented it from going further. Was from a power off stall, so we had been going through how to keep on the rudder pedals, and he kinda just pushed and held a little too long, and at the same time, tried to roll back level with the yoke also. Stop rotation with rudder, neutral yoke, break the stall. Did it a little too brisk though, and bags in back started to float up

 

[mavsfflife]

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I did mine in a 150, and it was hard to get it to spin.

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No problem making my 150 spin, we had some fun in it!

 

[bigbadboblittle]

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I did mine in a 150, and it was hard to get it to spin.

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It's weird how the same type if aircraft can fly so differently. I had absolutely no problem getting a 150 to spin, but when I took a 152 up, it took a lot more to get it to spin. I realize that a 150 isn't a 152 (they are darn close though), but it seems like you'd be hearing that one spins easier than the other. From this thread it sounds like it depends on the particular airplane (and probably also how you go about trying to enter the spin).

 

[Minnesota_Flyer]

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I did mine in a 150, and it was hard to get it to spin.

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"Now, this is what a power off stall shou.....^$@#, my airplane..."

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My one (and thankfully only) accidental spin was during my private training in a 152. We were having fun flying "backwards" in slow flight on a blustery winter day. I was looking down at the ground through the side window, fat and happy, when suddenly the sky was out the side window and the ground was out the front. My instructor had recovered before I even knew what happened. It was the very next lesson that we took the 150 out for some spin training.

As I think about it, I think we were only able to get the 150 to sping to left, out of a full-power stall with full left rudder.

MF

 

[seagull]

152 has a bit less elevator authority than a 150, so harder to get it to spin. I once wrote up a 150 for not getting into a spin easily. Mx came out and fixed it, told me later that it was a good writeup as the cable had too much slack in it!

As for training, when I was a CFI, I never once soloed a student without spin training, and never lost any students due to being scared off. It's all in your attitude.

Not to be taken lightly when teaching them, I always included a full brief with aerodynamic explanation, did a wt and balance to ensure we were loaded in the envelope, climbed to a safe altitude and location, properly cleared the area. The one thing I did that was different than many was that I had the students enter and recover on a sectional line (road, etc) after a specified number of turns. That seemed to occupy so much concentration they didn't have time to be scared!