Spin Training/Endorsement

[charlie1017]

I got to see the Extra at an EFA Open House and it looks like a wonderful plane. In fact EFA's president competes in aerobatics with his own Extra! I have yet to check out the Decathlon; hopefully I'll do my spin training in it.

 

[MikeOH58]

I would HIGHLY recomend the EFA route as I am one of the instructors that taught that as well as the unusual attitude courses. Hands down some of the finest instruction you will get regarding aerobatics and or upset recovery training anywhere. They dont just have CFIs with spin endorsements and a few loops under their belts running the show, they have years and years of experience as well as competition hours under their belts.

aerobatic airplanes do not have gyros per se, a simple wet compass takes the place of the DG and there is no attitude indicator and a very simplified turn coordinator. There is no need for them in day vfr flight

These are both of EFAs airplanes so you can see their panels..not too bad

let me know if you have any questions

and on a side note...please after just one spin flight do not take up passengers to show of your new skills. Spin recovery is not very difficult but it takes considerable practice to start to become comfortable and truly profficient. EFA will run you through a few scenarios to sharpen your skills.
1. A normal 1 g entry
2. A spin from a slipping turn (kind of looks like a snap roll if you enter from a steep turn with sharp rudder and control inputs)
3. A spin from a skidding turn (base to final)
4. A spin from the top of a loop inverted (and no, its not an inverted spin)

I agree...Beside the fact that I have no access to airplanes approved for spins, i'm not going to get ahead of myself and start doing them on my own...This one lesson I had was a nice teaser...It gave my a view into a spin...It allowed me to experiment with that aircrafts characteristics (power on/off, aileron into/away from spin etc...), it was a confidence builder, and it was fun...I feel good about myself, and I feel good about being able to recover from this maneuver if I accidently end up like a top, but like I said, its not something I plan on going out and doing, especially in an airplane that legally isn't capable....

by the way...The instructor I flew with told me that the SR-22 never even had the basic 3 second/1 spin test during flight testing because of its parachute?

but anyways, i'll send ya a PM when I decide to head over to EFA. "2. A spin from a slipping turn (kind of looks like a snap roll if you enter from a steep turn with sharp rudder and control inputs)
3. A spin from a skidding turn (base to final)"

Those are two things I couldn't simulate yesterday, and if I can get a feel of those with EFA, I think it would be priceless...As a very soon to be CFI, I think my highest risk for actually getting in a spin with a student could be in the traffic pattern...Sure the power on stall is very easy to spin, however I think an instructor is inherintly paying more attention during this maneuver...Entering the pattern after the first couple flights with a guy is easily a place I could find myself becoming complacent and not catching spin entry from a slipping or skidding turn...Thats something I'm going to have to demand perfection on....

anyways....Time to go fly and help teach a ground school.

 

[CoffeeIcePapers]

I used to do a ton of spin training in 150s and 152s. I didn't think these airplanes were very good "spinners" because it was almost impossible to keep them stalled. After 1 1/2 turns in the spin...the airplane would become unstalled and the airspeed would increase and begin to spiral.

150/152's spin great. If you hold the backpressure, they will spin forever. 172's on the other hand, act as you described.

http://www.vidilife.com/video_play_1000359_60_Turn_Spin_in_a_Cessna_152.htm