Speaking of Scabs...

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The scab list mentioned was the official scab list for ALPA

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I really don't think there's such a thing. Maybe some local LEC guy is calling the 'official' but national would get slapped with a harassment suit quicker than anything.
 
I'm looking at my copy now, and I am wrong - it does not say "Official" on it anywhere, but it DOES say ALPA and the ALPA wings are on it.

This was givien to me in 1997, and the intent is no doubt to prevent jumpseating by scabs.
 
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I really don't think there's such a thing. Maybe some local LEC guy is calling the 'official' but national would get slapped with a harassment suit quicker than anything.

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O Great Swami of jetcareers, I must respectably disagree with you.

ALPA won a lawsuit recently - Dunn, Duckworth, et al .vs. ALPA. Captain Duckworth of Airtran sued ALPA for publishing a scab list, and the judge declared that the list was correct, and so was the title.

The judge upheld ALPA's right to publish the list.
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HULL, Circuit Judge:

A group of airline pilots allege that the Air Line Pilots Association-a labor union-libeled them by placing them on a "scabs" list. The pilots also assert that by listing them as "scabs," the union intentionally interfered with their business relationships with other airlines. The district court dismissed the tortious interference claim for failure to state a claim for relief. As for the libel claim, the court held on summary judgment that the description of the pilots as "scabs" was not false because the pilots admit they crossed union picket lines and worked during the 1989 strike of Eastern Air Lines. The district court also held there was no evidence of actual malice. We affirm.

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The definition of "scab" follows:

a contemptible person b (1) : a worker who refuses to join a labor union (2) : a union member who refuses to strike or returns to work before a strike has ended (3) : a worker who accepts employment or replaces a union worker during a strike

Another excerpt:
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Individuals were placed on this list of working pilots only upon receipt of two confirmed reports that they had crossed ALPA picket lines, and after being provided with "an opportunity to refute the allegation" that they had crossed picket lines ...

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Full story at:
http://www.law.emory.edu/11circuit/oct99/97-5587.man.html
 
By the way - another excerpt. This is the list that I was given:

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During the sympathy strike, ALPA had compiled a "scabs" list of pilots who crossed union picket lines to fly for Eastern. ALPA added the names of other crossover pilots and new hires over time. The list was available to anyone who wanted it. In 1991, ALPA produced and distributed 50,000 copies of the "scabs" list. This final publication was entitled "The Scabs of Eastern of the Strike of '89."

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Thanks for the snippet, but I'm still not seeing how ALPA national has an 'official scab list', which I seriously doubt.

There is, however, a list of members and former members that arne't in good standing and along with non-payment of dues, activities deleterious to the employer and/or union might be a 'flew struck work' column.

Might they have been on a 'bad standing' list, having earned that by flying struck work? Keep in mind a 'members in bad standing' list and a 'scab list' are two mutually exclusive items.

BTW, "swami" sounds so goofy! Mein Fahrer is so much cooler.
 
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Thanks for the snippet, but I'm still not seeing how ALPA national has an 'official scab list', which I seriously doubt.

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If you'll see about three posts back I recanted on the Official claim. My "beg to differ" was about the possibility of a court case.

ALPA Legal knows they have a right to publich a scab list now.
 
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Mein Fahrer is so much cooler.

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Mein Fahrer! I can drive!

Said as I bite my gloved hand.
 
FAHRVERGNUGEN!
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ALPA Legal knows they have a right to publich a scab list now.

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Looks like you may be right. I hope ALPA stays out of that business. I would expect they would given that they have people on that list who are now ALPA members. And using it to deny jumpseat access is asking for jumpseat wars.

Besides, while the word "contemptuous" may be applied to scabs it can also be applied to some of the harrassment activites directed at scabs.

http://archives.econ.utah.edu/archives/marxism/2003w29/msg00055.htm
 
I agree. Just because you have the right to publish a scab list doesn't mean you should do it.

Having a public document that airs your dirty laundry is not smart.
 
So,

Would any of you pilots that "flew the line" refuse a jumpseat to someone that you knew was a scab?

How about if you thought they were a scab?

Are there pilots that keep a copy of that list and scan it before extending jumpseat privliges to another pilot?

I knew an F/A for a legacy carrier that said if there was a scab sitting in the cabin the other F/A's would be rude to them and spit in their drinks. Any truth to any of this?
 
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Would any of you pilots that "flew the line" refuse a jumpseat to someone that you knew was a scab?

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Certainly. It's a hard fought union-negotiated benefit. It's a customary priviledge, not a irrevocable right.

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How about if you thought they were a scab?

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No. Not for purient suspicion. But personally, if I knew the person was a scab and I was captain, he wouldn't be on my jumpseat.

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Are there pilots that keep a copy of that list and scan it before extending jumpseat privliges to another pilot?

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Yes.

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I knew an F/A for a legacy carrier that said if there was a scab sitting in the cabin the other F/A's would be rude to them and spit in their drinks. Any truth to any of this?

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I really depends. There's no single culture of the airlines. The analysts like to think there is, but each airline's culture is vastly different. Things that are hunky-dory at Airline-A aren't at Airline-B and it all depends on their histories.

We had a couple of former-airliner scabs at my present employer, but they've retired. We've never been on strike before so whether or not a jumpseater is a scab or not doesn't cross many minds. However, things are probably different at United and especially Continental because of thier labor history.
 
Thanks for the response Doug.

Also, when you refuse the jumpseat to a scab are you polite about it or do you do it with extreme prejudice, i.e. "Piss on you, Scab!"

I guess that if you are a scab you are used to being refused the jumpseat, and you'd better forget about commuting!
 
There are F/As at AA who carry scab lists of the AA F/As who scabbed in '93. These scabs are treated with polite hosility at best on the line. Those who work with them only converse with them as much as is needed to get the job done. No chit chat, no galley talk.

I never carried a list myself. When I was ORD based I was on new-hire probation, and when you're a probie you just keep your mouth shut and do your job and don't say 'boo' to anyone. When I was in NY I was too busy commuting to have the time & energy to deal with carrying a list and constantly checking names against it. But lots of people do!
 
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Clear as mud?
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Clear as a heavy lead curtain my friend!

(Quick! Name the punk band whose lyric that is!)

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Dangit you people never answer your phone.

Bad Religion's "Infected." Yeah baby!!!!
 
Well if you call when I'm home!
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I was outside celebrating Columbus day by working on the lawnmower. w00t!
 
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Are there pilots that keep a copy of that list and scan it before extending jumpseat privliges to another pilot?



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Yup. Happened to me while jumping on a United DC-10. Four-striper FE wanted to check my airline ID against his list.........even though I would've been 18-19 years old when the EAL crap was going on, and 13 years old when CAL was happening.
 
Man those were different times!

I remember arguing with Chris Tuite in the parking lot about how $80G's for a A310 captain was a reasonable amount for the Eastern guys.

Damn I was an idiot!
 
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