Southwest lands at wrong airport?

*sigh*

This sucks. Hope these guys manage to keep their jobs...

Why? It seems like complete negligence by the crew.

It's way too late in the game for them to be making these mistakes.

100+ people could have lost their lives due to negligence of the crew. Seems like a pretty friable offense to me.
 
Maybe it's just time to not do visuals anymore like it is in Europe and Asia. If you thought Part 117 was a pain, imagine the delays if we don't do visuals anymore. It really might be for the best, though.
Maybe its time we just put the approach in.
 
Now, after seeing the Google earth image - Southwest is pretty damn lucky this didn't turn out worse than just a "landing at an unauthorized destination."
 
Maybe it's just time to not do visuals anymore like it is in Europe and Asia. If you thought Part 117 was a pain, imagine the delays if we don't do visuals anymore. It really might be for the best, though.

A lot of us don't get a choice. Outlawing visuals seems like throwing out the baby with the bathwater to me. IMHO, what's needed isn't further restricting what pilots can do, but improving training, oversight, etc. so that we are capable of and competent at using any of the various tools at our disposal. There's nothing inherently dangerous about a visual approach, under the proper conditions (I'm sure you'd agree, as I'd wager you've done more than a few of them). We've been doing them for, what, over a century? IMHO, we don't need to demand more assistance from all the various bells, whistles, and regulatory agencies, we need to demand better performance from ourselves and our training orthodoxies. And that's not a bag on this crew, necessarily. Maybe they were fatigued, or maybe it was their first flight in to a totally unfamiliar airport (I believe the Branson airport opened for business in the last few years) and they got busy with any of the other million things you can get busy with and just didn't have time to properly check their position, or hell, maybe the FMS said that WAS the right airport. Maybe it was the first visual they'd done for a really long time because they normally DO fly an ILS everywhere they go and they got sloppy because "visual approach" isn't something that's covered in the sim. Who knows? Anything is possible at this point.

But I rather think that further restrictions and automation-dependence are not solutions to incidents like this, whatever the particulars. If the airplane can't get to the right runway on a legal visual approach, IMHO, the fault almost certainly does not lie with the regulatory authorities.
 
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But I rather think that further restrictions and automation-dependence is not the solution to incidents like this, whatever the particulars. If the airplane can't get to the right runway on a legal visual approach, IMHO, the fault almost certainly does not lay with the regulatory authorities.

Quoted for Truth.
 
Do you airline pilots "brief" visual approaches?

Even with a visual I have always been taught to brief it. That still includes final approach course/heading.
 
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I'm kind of surprised an untowered airport with a 3738 ft runway and no commercial FBO has airstairs.
 
A lot of us don't get a choice. Outlawing visuals seems like throwing out the baby with the bathwater to me. IMHO, what's needed isn't further restricting what pilots can do, but improving training, oversight, etc. so that we are capable of and competent at using any of the various tools at our disposal. There's nothing inherently dangerous about a visual approach, under the proper conditions (I'm sure you'd agree, as I'd wager you've done more than a few of them). We've been doing them for, what, over a century? IMHO, we don't need to demand more assistance from all the various bells, whistles, and regulatory agencies, we need to demand better performance from ourselves and our training orthodoxies. And that's not a bag on this crew, necessarily. Maybe they were fatigued, or maybe it was their first flight in to a totally unfamiliar airport (I believe the Branson airport opened for business in the last few years) and they got busy with any of the other million things you can get busy with and just didn't have time to properly check their position, or hell, maybe the FMS said that WAS the right airport. Maybe it was the first visual they'd done for a really long time because they normally DO fly an ILS everywhere they go and they got sloppy because "visual approach" isn't something that's covered in the sim. Who knows? Anything is possible at this point.

But I rather think that further restrictions and automation-dependence are not solutions to incidents like this, whatever the particulars. If the airplane can't get to the right runway on a legal visual approach, IMHO, the fault almost certainly does not lie with the regulatory authorities.
You...you mean...you can't automate or regulate this problem away, but you actually have to do something about training and proficiency? Oh dear.

(agreed.)
 
Wow. If I would have non-revved home to Chicago this weekend instead of to Vegas I would have been on this flight. I read somewhere that there were only 120 or so people so I would have been in the back at least
 
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