Southwest: Breakdown is now an act of God

So this means hotels are covered in such situations only for athiests? :D

Yay! I win a free hotel room!

Personally, and I don't mean to hijack the thread, but I don't understand the "act of god" line. Makes no sense to me.

I agree with some previous statements too. They should be liable for MX issues due their lack of "obeying" the FAA. Plus, they ask for intx deps at LGA!!!!!!11!!!1 Fugetaboutit
 
Let me try to clarify something here....

The "mechanical difficulties" that are mentioned in the new contract do not refer to mechanical difficulties that are within our control. At SNA and every other station I know, we have been accommodating passengers accordingly when a plane breaks down and the failure goes on our mx department.

For example, if a jetbridge collapsed for some unforeseeable reason, that would go down as a mechanical difficulty that we are not liable for. If a fueling hydrant pit was broken and there were no tankers on hand, that would go down as a mechanical difficulty.

I assure you, when something goes wrong with the plane, we're putting 139 people up at the Mariott at no cost to them. :)
 
So why not change the gate?

Or relocate the plane to an area that has fuel? (New gate...)

Guess I'm not seeing why SWA would cancel a flight because of either of the above two examples (albeit, I'm sure there are many more...), but are they that hard up to perform their 20-25 minute turns that they'd cancel a flight instead of move the aircraft to another gate for boarding - or heaven forbid - delay the flight however long it may take to perform such a relocation?
 
So why not change the gate?

Or relocate the plane to an area that has fuel? (New gate...)

Guess I'm not seeing why SWA would cancel a flight because of either of the above two examples (albeit, I'm sure there are many more...), but are they that hard up to perform their 20-25 minute turns that they'd cancel a flight instead of move the aircraft to another gate for boarding - or heaven forbid - delay the flight however long it may take to perform such a relocation?

I'd have to say it's probably because those things aren't exactly that easy....

I've been stuck on an RJ200 at much smaller airports where we could just relocate to another jetbridge when there was a problem and we've been denied that opportunity by station ops... (thank you Sioux Falls SD, btw :rolleyes:)

Sooo.... I feel their pain.
 
I'm just surprised the airline to be doing this is SW. They've always been known for their customer service... I'm mean Spirit? sure... but SW? damn...:(

Well.. actually, they've always been known as the airline that doesn't give you anything such as free meals even when the legacies were providing that level of customer service. Slowly our industry really is becoming just like a bus ride.
 
So why not change the gate?

Or relocate the plane to an area that has fuel? (New gate...)

Guess I'm not seeing why SWA would cancel a flight because of either of the above two examples (albeit, I'm sure there are many more...), but are they that hard up to perform their 20-25 minute turns that they'd cancel a flight instead of move the aircraft to another gate for boarding - or heaven forbid - delay the flight however long it may take to perform such a relocation?

Well of course we would try that first. We're not just going to strand passengers if we can avoid it by simply changing the gate. However, it's not always that simple. Consider this:

At SNA we have a 10pm departure curfew. If we break it by more than 10 minutes, we'll be in serious trouble (fees, etc.). Plane comes in a little late due to wx, but we can easily turn it around in time to meet the 10pm curfew. Fueler radios to ops that the hydrant pit isn't working. Only one other gate is available and it's on the other side of the airport. By the time we deplane all the passengers, move all the equipment and bags, and tow the plane to the new gate, we realize we're not going to make the curfew.

Now, this is an unlikely scenario. But, in the past, we would have had to accommodate everyone at a hotel unless we put the cancellation on wx, which would be a lie.
 
Here's the official release on our company intranet today:

SWA Management said:
Some of you may be aware of news stories relating to Southwest Airlines Contract of Carriage (CoC), and how recent changes to the CoC regarding accommodating Customers during mechanical events are being perceived incorrectly or taken out of context by the media. Your Communications Team has been working with our Director of Customer Advocacy, our General Counsel Department, as well as our media contacts to set the story straight. Here’s the straight scoop, in case you get questions or concerns about this issue from Customers, friends, or family:

Simply put, Southwest had never before defined Force Majeure Events in our CoC. In our latest update, we offered our Force Majeure definition (which can be found in its entirety on SWALife >Tools >Policies >Contract of Carriage > page 2) which states that "Force Majeure Event means any event outside of Carrier’s control" and so the "mechanical difficulties" we refer to as Force Majeure events would be those outside of our control, such as airport mechanical difficulties (e.g., the airport de-icing system breaks) or Air Traffic Control issues (e.g., airport or regional tower goes down). We are not referring to our own aircraft maintenance difficulties, which would clearly be under our control. Our policies and practices confirm this interpretation. None of our procedures have changed—we still accommodate Customers exactly the same as we did previously in the event of our own aircraft maintenance issues occur.
 
Well.. actually, they've always been known as the airline that doesn't give you anything such as free meals even when the legacies were providing that level of customer service. Slowly our industry really is becoming just like a bus ride.


...If only it were as easy as swiping my transit card, getting on,switching and getting off whereever I desire, and charging my card appropriately.
 
I find that hard to believe - I got my last SWA flight refunded (I informed them I did not wish to sit in an emergency exit and they ignored me), any my last DL flight I was refunded $300/hr for delays. I am a customer service pitbull -
 
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