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Where I am at, if it needs to be done, it is almost always the departure airport with the redispatch point being before losing VHF comm.
Southwest airlines announces flights to Hawaii from mainland
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Where I am at, if it needs to be done, it is almost always the departure airport with the redispatch point being before losing VHF comm.
av8or757
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I never saw that posting.
I'm going to guess it was the posting back in May/June that kinda fizzled out on here and some got a TBNT....some didn't ?
Unless they had another internal posting no one on the outside saw.
who'swho
Don't hesitate. Penetrate!
Agreed. I have to assume SWA has been looking into all this. Will be interesting to see how they go about it.
manniax
Well-met in the Ka-tet
It's a 737 thing because they don't have an HMG installed on them....some 737's do have an "instant on" APU modification that doesn't require you to run the APU the whole time though. When the 737 was designed nobody could forsee one day running them on Hawaii flights I guess
DE727UPS
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Makes sense now. Our MEL requires APU on during ETOPS segments if HMG is inop. That's on a 767-300ER
I think because you have an HMG or whatever that thing is called.
>>>>I think<<<< that's what relieves twin engine jets from having to run the APU… or something like that. My memory is so foggy.
Cptnchia
Dissatisfied Customer
No HMG, even on an ETOPS certified aircraft? Lemme go ask one of our FLUF drivers what our 737-900ER have.
manniax
Well-met in the Ka-tet
Correct, no HMG installed. Not an option on the 737.
manniax
Well-met in the Ka-tet
So would you have to run the APU or has anyone even thought about that yet?
As previously mentioned, yes, you either have to run the APU the whole flight and account for the fuel burn when doing flight planning, or have an "Instant On" APU modification done that allows you to go without running the APU. I can't remember the technical name for the "instant on" APU modification but it's designed to start it up automatically in case of generator failure.
Juliet Zulu
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Juliet Zulu
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I never saw that posting.
It was in the Spring
Was the flight even legal to release? WIthout ETOPS there are no airports really within nonETOPS ranges during almost half of the flight. How did AA pull that off?
Flagship_dxer
Penske Material
It was not a legal release. It basically slipped through the cracks and wasnt caught until it was midway between LAX and HNL. The return passenger flight was cancelled and it was sent back as a Part 91 re-positioning flight. ETOPS only applies to Part 121 flights so it was legal to send it back as a Part 91 flight.
You can make a re-dispatch work westbound using ITO/KOA and eastbound depending on where you are going SFO/SJC will work. Our re-dispatches and 10% reserves on the A321s to Hawaii should be ending soon. The B343 reserves should be getting extended to the A321s in the next few months.
Flagship_dxer
Penske Material
The dispatcher simply missed it and didnt catch his mistake until later. Only 15 or so A321 out several hundred A321s are ETOPS certified. There is now programming that prevents maintenance from assigning non ETOPS tails to the ETOPS flights. Before the mistake, it was assumed that the dispatchers would never forget to double check that the tail was one of the ETOPS certified birds.