Southernjets Rumors

Richman said:
Yup, in which case the only winners will be the lawyers....

Richman
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Isn't that the truth!

"We've GOTTA get SOC done, IMMEDAITELY!! Emergency! Emergency!"

But they left out the "...so we can all cash phat bonus checks and the drone bee's can sort out the resulting mess and 80 lbs of Airway manuals"
 
Richman said:
Ex 2: Delta takes delivery of 10 777s they had on order, without replacing any other aircraft. fDAL guys fly them exclusively until 2015.
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You left out the guys who are saying that if DAL buys any 777s above the existing orders, they are replacements for the 742 and delayed 787 and thus should go North.:dunno:
 
I was under the impression that any 744's that are above the current fleet count would be considered growth and could be flown by fNWA AND DAL. To me it does not really matter as I would not be senior enough to fly it until well after the fences fall down anyway.

Now, what I want to see is a 100 seater that I can hold captain on that is fenced off from everyone senior to me. :p
 
Capt. Caucasian said:
I was under the impression that any 744's that are above the current fleet count would be considered growth and could be flown by fNWA AND DAL. To me it does not really matter as I would not be senior enough to fly it until well after the fences fall down anyway.

Now, what I want to see is a 100 seater that I can hold captain on that is fenced off from everyone senior to me. :p
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Hiya Capt,

Then you would be incorrect. Current fleet counts (or more correctly, the fleet count upon issuance of the SLI) matters for naught.

Growth and/or fleet count isn't mentioned at all in the SLI decision. It simply says that 747s and 787s (or replacements) are flown by fNWA guys, and 777s (or replacements) are flown by fDAL guys.

The only exception is if there are insufficient bidders in one or the other group. Then someone from the other side of the fence could bid in, and exercise their seniority once they were there. Say the 744 went insufficient in DTW and the #1 DAL guy bid it. He would be awarded it, and once he got the into the seat, he would bid everything else according to his seniority (schedules, vacation, whatever). The only thing is if a displacement happened, he'd be the first to get bounced.

Really, the only really tricky bit to the SLI is the replacement aircraft thing. But if no aircraft are parked, and new airplanes aren't in an all cargo configuration, then it SHOULD be pretty straight forward.

Of course, there are always wrinkles. If 787 orders are exchanged for 777s, then you can bet an argument will be made that fNWA guys should fly those airplanes. If 744s are delivered in exchange for 777 orders, then the argument will be made that fDAL guys should fly them. If C-152 all cargo variants are delivered to replace the 747-200s, there will be another argument that fNWA guys should fly them because while C-152s are not fenced directly, they are replacements for aircraft that WERE fenced.

Exchanging ORDERS for one fenced aircraft for another makes for ugly arbitrations, wealthy lawyers and upset pilots (something the company is going out of their way to avoid), so my guess is the company will do what is necessary to make it appear that any new aircraft are directly delivered from standing orders, or are made to look that they're outside of whatever orders are presently on the books until the fences expire.

Richman
 
Cptnchia said:
You left out the guys who are saying that if DAL buys any 777s above the existing orders, they are replacements for the 742 and delayed 787 and thus should go North.:dunno:
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By that same token, there are guys who are saying that any 744s are delivered that are replacing 777s that WOULD have been delivered, and so should go south.

See where this gets expensive, quick?

Richman
 
Doug Taylor said:
.... and 80 lbs of Airway manuals"
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Good grief if that isn't the truth. In the last 60 days I've done 8 revisions so thick they couldn't fit them in the envelopes. No kidding. One Capt stacked all his revisions and the dang thing was 2 feet tall.

Next time, my Jepps are going to be "lost" to some horrible calamity, and I'll just pay the coin for a new set.

Richman
 
Richman said:
By that same token, there are guys who are saying that any 744s are delivered that are replacing 777s that WOULD have been delivered, and so should go south.

See where this gets expensive, quick?

Richman
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Exactly my point. There are Richard Craniums, N & S, who like to make trouble.
 
Richman said:
Good grief if that isn't the truth. In the last 60 days I've done 8 revisions so thick they couldn't fit them in the envelopes. No kidding. One Capt stacked all his revisions and the dang thing was 2 feet tall.

Next time, my Jepps are going to be "lost" to some horrible calamity, and I'll just pay the coin for a new set.

Richman
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WOW! :eek: Maybe that's why that crew overshot MSP. They must've been doing revisions! :sarcasm:
 
Richman said:
Good grief if that isn't the truth. In the last 60 days I've done 8 revisions so thick they couldn't fit them in the envelopes. No kidding. One Capt stacked all his revisions and the dang thing was 2 feet tall.

Next time, my Jepps are going to be "lost" to some horrible calamity, and I'll just pay the coin for a new set.

Richman
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How about rumors of electronic flight bags?
 
Capt. Caucasian said:
I can't believe I have to look at your name above mine for the next thirty years :rolleyes:. At least ACL drops off before me :p.

intense :sarcasm:
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Hell, you've got a nice like DOUGLAS TAYLOR to look at until 2035! Ha!

Do you guys realize that we're getting 25% MORE Jepps in couple of months and there is no plan beyond, and I quote, "Well, some guys buy a second flight kit and keep some of their Jepps in the pilot lounge" followed by a "JFK doesn't have the space for another 600 flight kits to store Jepps, how about any EFB option?" and the speech about how MLS was going to be the next big thing and if we had invested in MLS, well, where would we be now, yadda yadda yadda...

Don't EVEN get me started.
 
Are they really comparing MLS with EFBs? Thats like saying we shouldn't get a MP3 player because we thought about buying an 8-track a while back, and good thing we didn't!
 
fender_jag said:
:D Missed it by that much!



Pretty sure United does this now. Must be nice...
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They dont do EFB's. They have flight kits in the airbusses and 747s that stay with the airplane. Jeppesen updates them when the airplane goes through Denver. All of their manuals including their FOM, Aircraft Manual, and charts are kept in flight cases left in the airplane. Works out pretty nice.
 
taildragger173 said:
They dont do EFB's. They have flight kits in the airbusses and 747s that stay with the airplane. Jeppesen updates them when the airplane goes through Denver. All of their manuals including their FOM, Aircraft Manual, and charts are kept in flight cases left in the airplane. Works out pretty nice.
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Sorry I was unclear - I was commenting on Peanuckle's second sentence about dedicated ship sets as I remembered the (United) crew talking about them once when I jumpseated.

What a luxury that must be!
 
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