South Florida (Preferrably Miami) Tailwheel Endorsement

N5247D

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As the thread post states, I'm looking to pick up my tailwheel endorsement and I've been browsing through the internet in Miami for a school that does the endorsement, but the only thing I've found so far is MiamiFly...

I'm trying to stay close, but if need be I will travel. I just felt like $200 an hour was a little steep.But then again, I don't want to sacrifice quality for cost either. If anybody knows of anything in the Miami/Ft.Lauderdale area, feel free to post with information.Thank you for your help


-Ace
 
If it's Tailwheels Etc. I wouldn't mess with that place.

My buddy owns this C140 that he leases back to CAMS at KPIE ... $140 dual.

http://www.camsflight.com/cams-aircraft/cessna-140a-7838b/#1

DrunkenBeagle has flown it, he could tell you more.

DrunkenBeagle did his tailwheel in it, indeed yes. 2.4 hours dual, 25 landings. I've done a 1,000 or so TW since, not a single ground loop, so I would say it was both good quality and a good price. The 140 with the swivel gear can be "touchy" if you can wheel land that without bouncing, you can wheel land just about anything.

There is also a tailwheel available at KSPG, not on the line with an FBO, but the owner does do tailwheel endorsements with it by appointment. A Champ or Citabria I believe, though a 140/170 is probably better at first - side by side seating is better for instruction. I do most of my teaching in tandem aircraft.

I would ask around though FBOs. in the Miami area, I'm sure there's gotta be something. Because of insurance, tailwheels are going to be a money losing proposition on the line at an FBO. Plenty are privately owned though, so if you can find someone that owns one, it will be a better deal. I know a few CFIs in FL (myself included) that will do TW endorsements if you have/beg/borrow/steal your own aircraft.
 
Yea, I plan on doing some calling around still.I'm wondering where I can rent one though....I've never seen any tailwheel rentals before.

Let me do some more research on the subject matter. Drunken, I may take up your offer if I do indeed find an aircraft to do so in.Where are you located?
 
Contact Warbird Adventures. They are in Kissimmee I think. Ask for Thom Richard. They will take great care of you!
 
Yea, I plan on doing some calling around still.I'm wondering where I can rent one though....I've never seen any tailwheel rentals before.

They are really expensive to insure, 200 TT/ 100TW what most insurance companies will want at a bare minimum. Pretty small market there, so they just aren't that practical to rent. If you do find one, it will be dual only.


You might try Naples as well (KAPF), might be closer for you.
 
Not in CA. We have 3 Citabrias, a Super D, and a Cub. No TW or TT requirements to rent solo. There are 3 or 4 other flight schools in the bay area that don't have minimum requirements.
 
Yea, I plan on doing some calling around still.I'm wondering where I can rent one though....I've never seen any tailwheel rentals before.

Let me do some more research on the subject matter. Drunken, I may take up your offer if I do indeed find an aircraft to do so in.Where are you located?

The place in Deland I told you about will let you solo the Champ.
 
I would go with Tailwheels in Winter Haven. I know several of the instructors and they are great guys/ girls. If I wanted a TW endorsement I would definitely do it there.
 
I live in the Bay Area and we have no min's for tailwheels. I solo'ed in a 7ECA with under 20 hrs TT.
 
For you folks that went to tailwheels, how long did it take for you to get the endorsement? 1 day? 2 days?
 
For you folks that went to tailwheels, how long did it take for you to get the endorsement? 1 day? 2 days?

I came in for a weekend multi course that I was told I would be able to complete in two days there. Then when I showed up, they said "No, you'll have to come back next week to finish it.". That was after they made me sit around for nearly four hours because they didn't realize that I was coming in that day (I was on their online scheduler). I had two flights that day - both with a different instructor. I left after that.

Unless it's changed since I was there, my opinion of that place is that they're rather shoot the poop with the local GA heroes than provide quality instruction. You get what you pay for.
 
For you folks that went to tailwheels, how long did it take for you to get the endorsement? 1 day? 2 days?

Took me two days, 2.4 hours total. I also had a ton of glider time though, and gliders are almost all taildraggers. And I doubt many instructors would sign you off only seeing you fly once.

I don't know that you can really predict how long it will take though. There are really only three skills you need to master. Landing at full stall (a three point landing), landing on one or two of the main wheels (a wheel landing), and using the rudder. Most pilots prefer wheel landings (you have more control), unless there are operation reasons you can't (prop clearance and short fields basically). Using the rudder correctly is probably the hardest thing to master learning to fly a taildragger. Even harder if you are used to flying a 747 or an MD-11 - in my anecdotal experience, heavy jet drivers are not conditioned into making frequent rudder corrections.

The best way that I have heard it explained, a taildragger is like a kid's tricycle. Pushing it forwards, pretty easy. Now imagine grabbing the handle bars and pushing it backwards. If it moves off of the line you want it to move in even slightly, it will veer off in that direction quickly. The key to maintaining directional control in a taildragger is to make constant, small rudder corrections to keep the nose pointed where you want. You can't ignore this for a second. The consequences for screwing up can be pretty severe. The airplane may either leave the runway, flip over, or end up with the tail in front (a ground loop).

With trike gear, as long as you can put the aircraft in ground effect and keep the nose up, eventually you are going to touch down somewhat safely. Not so with a taildragger. To cause the main wheels to touch first, the airspeed must be well above stall speed. If the main wheels touch hard enough, they will bounce and increase the angle of attack, causing the aircraft to lift off again, and probably bounce again. To prevent this, two things are necessary. The rate of sink must be well controlled, and when the wheels touch, the stick needs to move forward to counter the additional angle of attack you are about to get. To control the rate of sink, you either need to adjust power, or flare with excess airspeed. All the while, you need to be dancing on the rudder pedals to maintain a straight track along the ground.

If you can, grab a copy of Stick and Rudder and read through it before hand, it should make the techniques you are trying to learn more clear.
 
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