Well glad you know my story. If you want to hear it lets pm... Because until then your general assumtption just made the A** out of you and me. But way to go buddy.
How did it make an ass out of you and me? I'm confused. If I did I apologize.
Secondly if you believe they will go out of their way to get you HIRED you are insane again.
Insane? No, saw it with my own eyes. I didn't say that everyone leaves the program with the same taste however. I know people that had a rough time dealing with issues as well.
In general what was said is what ATP offers is nothing SPECIAL. Ariben, DCA, UND, Purdue and many other places offer the same thing.
Fair enough. I don't feel cheated though - I went into it knowing what I was getting, and I got just that, nothing more. Sure the industry blows right now and that doing a fast paced program got me nowhere, but hindsight is 20/20. Also, doing it any slower wouldn't have made much of a difference on my situation either.
But perhaps you are blinded by only training at ATP. I might add I spent a lot of time at FBO's across Indiana and other flight training places and know what QUALITY is like. That's all.
I didn't only train/ give training at ATP. I'm primarily a free-lance instructor, and at the end of the day - you can find SOMETHING wrong with every flight school, fbo, and CFI if you strain your eyes hard enough. I've said this before, and I firmly believe it; the training you receive LARGELY depends on your immediate instructor, not really ATP so much. I had damn good instructors for certain phases, and guys who scared the crap outta me for others. I suspect this would be the case at most flight schools, albeit fast paced or not - cfi's are at the bottem of the aviation totem pole, and the result is lack of experience and knowledge.
What you learn in 90 days as opposed to a year is amazing. Some places IMO are better as far as QUALITY go and thus what I keep saying on here.
You get what you pay for when you want to get it done in 90 days. Goes down to basicaly psychology (majored in that) and if you want to debate that again hit me in a PM.
I double degreed in Bio/ Neuroscience so there's not much to debate on the psych side, we're in agreement for the most part. One common theory of learning from the biological/ neuroscience school of thought is that it's not just the idea you're learning, but the environment in which you are learning it, that matters just as much as the original idea - if that makes sense. Simple facts decrease cerebral activity, vs. immersion in the topic stimulates both cerebral hemispheres. That being said - there are WAY too many variables here that you and I could write a book on, comparing say ATP and the badass school in Indiana you were talking about. Oh and btw - can you pm me the name of the school? A good friend of mine may be flying soon. Thanks.
I'd be glad to let you know how the brain can only process a certain amount of information and how that works. But you are right its a beef and not a fact of the matter that I know from studies and undergrad that the general, "stuff your brain with info" approach only works so well. Its all.
See above.
You are right you did find out. It sucks. But its the beast of the industry. Also its meant in general. Right now it doesnt really matter. You tried to make it sound like ATP has some sort of special connections and with the times as they are now they still have them. Well if you are posting that on here you are absolutely incorrect and should not be saying such. They have GENERAL agreements and that's it. It means nothing. Especially when you have over 500 furloughed from xjet, 27 from PSA, 45 from TSA and many more who are out there who have been let go from Bankrupt carriers. How is ATP making their grads more marketable then them? Oh that's right they cant especially with the industry at the current state now can they?
They do have close relationships with the HR departments at these airlines, but as we are all in agreement with(and that common sense dictates) it doesn't matter if they're not hiring. The close relationships aren't something I'm telling anyone to rely on to get a job - it's simply a fact. For the regular Joe Schmoe- he's getting the letters of agreement, and that's it.
I'm going to sleep now, tired of job hunting for the night.:drool: