Dugie8
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There's a joke in here somewhere about pleasuring yourself with your left hand.
Some SAM questions (MH17 related)
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At least a weapon system has the right opinion on helicopters.
When the missile itself it bigger than the target it's shooting at, there comes a time of cost vs gain......you know, value for your money.
Autothrust Blue
”…trusting ze process…”
Killing a grasshopper with a cannon.When the missile itself it bigger than the target it's shooting at, there comes a time of cost vs gain......you know, value for your money.
Hacker15e
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When the missile itself it bigger than the target it's shooting at, there comes a time of cost vs gain......you know, value for your money.
Reminds me of training to shoot down various "teenager" MiGs with AMRAAMs using multiple-shot doctrine. Taking down a $20,000 jet with $1,000,000 worth of munitions.
The US' "asymmetric warfare" advantage, often, is money.
Lawman
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When the missile itself it bigger than the target it's shooting at, there comes a time of cost vs gain......you know, value for your money.
My helicopter costs more than Viper, Legacy Hornet, or Harrier.... more power too them.
Like multiple JDAMs on a couple of AK-47 armed al queda walking around.
True, but still a helicopter at the end of the day to the laypeople out there.
So the ZSU is happy to come play. As you might be happy to with it also. And you'll have more of you platform in inventory once the active duty gets the extras from the Guard/Reserve......whenever that happens.
I think that's still up in the air, just delayed. It eventually will happen in my opinion. Just not much utility for them in the Guard state-wise.
True enough. Then add into it being the Guard, and it's all about days and dollars. They love the $$ that come with the toys, because they can put that towards whatever they want in the state.
Lawman
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They can keep screaming, but at the end of the day active Army has already started divesting the Kiowa and moving/RIF'ing the 58 community. Supposed to be done in the next 3 years.
And every "we can do it cheaper" argument is pretty much knix'd when it takes a MOB run through Ft Hood for 3 months and millions of dollars (not to mention a years heads up) to allow a state Apache unit to move to the AOR sans equipment and be given freshly reset ready to go birds by the Active Duty unit they are working alongside because their stuff wasnt ready.
Don't AD units fall in on equipment quite often? I thought the PM office managed the flow of aircraft and scheduled their rotations in and out of theater. And aren't AD units *usually* required to go to a CTC prior to deployment?
Lawman
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Sometimes. Its more the guard unit Im commenting about in particular got our BLK II 64D's about 2 years before the deployment was scheduled. And then again when they came in country they took aircraft we had spent 2 years getting into a managed phase flow and up from reset away and let us fall in on the oldest 64Ds in country.
And the CTC thing is just that while we go all the time to maintain a rapid deployability because we dont know if in 8 months we are gonna need to put 3 Divisions into the Balkans or Africa the guard doesnt. They require a lead time which negates the entire point of the whole "we can do it cheaper" by adding on "as long as you dont need it done fast."
I can't disagree 64s don't belong in the Guard at all - and the "we can do it cheaper" by adding on "as long as you don't need it done fast" topic - well, that could end up being a long discussion. Interesting, but I don't have the time for it.
How long have you been in the 64 community? WO or RLO?
Yes, but that $20,000 jet can kill scores of people and cause millions in damage. Spending $1 million in munitions seems a fair trade to eliminate the threat.
FloridaLarry
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On the cost-effectiveness discussion...
Back in WW II, the equation didn't involve dollars. It was body count ( does theirs justify ours) & territory gained.
As so many of our ways of killing enemies have become vastly more efficient (vs % of wasted effort), the equation has shifted to dollars as a way to keep score.
I guess we live in a capitalist society.
Back in WW II, the equation didn't involve dollars. It was body count ( does theirs justify ours) & territory gained.
As so many of our ways of killing enemies have become vastly more efficient (vs % of wasted effort), the equation has shifted to dollars as a way to keep score.
I guess we live in a capitalist society.
If I'm not mistaken, the only state peacetime mission the Apache has taken part in, was the search for the wreckage pieces of the Space Shuttle Columbia
Interesting... No idea.
NewYorkophile
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And after the first shot gets fired at *you*, I'm sure all of us agree, it's worth every fracking penny.
While true, it still bankrupts us financially to no end. And the enemy knows this.