Some advice...

aviator4252

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I am currently in the army. After I get back from Iraq sometime next year, I am looking to attend a flight school. I have a wife and a baby daughter. I have been looking at all the big schools like Pan Am, Westwind, DCA and others that seem too impersonal and like all they want is your money. Would a smaller school, such as Ari-Ben be better. I am looking for a place that is professional and wont cutt throat you. I don't mind paying a little extra money. I am also intending on using my veterens benefits.
 
Like I tell everyone that has VA benefits....go to a four-year school with an aviation program. Not ER, but a small to medium sized public school, like ASU, MTSU, SOSU ot NSULA. You'll just save money!!!!

Since you're going to need a four-year degree as well as the ratings, why not get them at the same time??
 
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Like I tell everyone that has VA benefits....go to a four-year school with an aviation program. Not ER, but a small to medium sized public school, like ASU, MTSU, SOSU ot NSULA. You'll just save money!!!!

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How much money does a 4 year colledge cost? I was thinking about attending an academy, then while a flight instructor or maybe a regional pilot (I know that I am reaching for this one) I could use my GI bill for correspondence courses. Is that an idea?
 
aviator4252, you might consider the Utah Valley State College online degree. My thoughts were very much along the same lines: go through the Ari-Ben program (roughly six months), sign on there as a flight instructor (something that's virtually guarenteed--and no better opportunity to accumulate multi-engine time!), and while flight instructing begin the UVSC degree. You might not be able to complete it until you have landed your regional job (assuming you get a four-year), but at least you'll have gotten the ball rolling. Most regionals do not require a degree. Majors, of course, practically do.

One disadvantage to UVSC: it is an aviation degree. Meaning that if you lose your job as a pilot (can't pass the medical, get furloughed, etc) you won't have a degree outside of that field to "fall back on". But having been through the military I'd say you were already a pretty "well-rounded" guy and wouldn't have trouble finding work outside of aviation should something like that happen. Having any four-year degree to begin with is a big step in finding work, even if it's not in the field you're looking at. The airlines certainly think so: they couldn't care less what you have your degree in.

A pretty significant advantage to UVSC, though, is that your flight training applies as about one year of college credit. Plus, it's relatively cheap. $8,600 for an associate's degree, and $16,000 for a bachelor's.

Their website is www.uvscaviation.com. I don't know whether UVSC offers VA benefits, but I know Ari-Ben does. Not all schools are approved by UVSC (due to part 61/141 training), but Ari-Ben certainly is. When I toured there, Mike Cohen (the owner) said they had some ten or eleven guys doing the UVSC program.
 
$16,000 for an online 4-year aviation degree? (which like you said would be almost useless outside of the aviation world) That's cheap?? I doubt I paid 16 grand for my bachelors at a major university...
 
Huh...thats a really good idea. The Army has trained me to be an electronic technician, so I could probably afford to get a degree in aviation. That is also pretty cheap. I will look into it. I like the idea of correspondence anyway. It gives me more time to spend with my family
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acefly, you're right. Cheap may be the wrong word. I'm thinking more in terms of relativity: For example, University of Phoenix Online is about $445 per credit, while UVSC is $130 per credit.
 
16k doesnt sound that bad for a BA... I currently live in michigan and checked out the colleges around here prior to enrolling with ATP (also enrolling with USVC) and you can barely find a school- WMU, CMU, EMU, U of M, MSU under 10k a year. Where are the cheap major universities you guys are talking about? Western is about 14k a year! I don't even want to know what a place like U of M is going to run you.
 
Well, I can't speak for the michigan universities but where I went (university of colorado) I never paid more than $2000 a semester and as far as I know it is the most expensive public university in the state. Also, wouldn't you say that a diploma from U of M, a very good school that everybody knows, would be worth a lot more than a correspondance degree? You get what you pay for...

But yeah, I understand the appeal of the online degree, I'm not telling you not to do it, just sounded expensive to me...
 
That $14,000 a year dealie at Western is probably about right, as that's probably close to what I'm paying here (total, to live and tuition). Tuition is only costing me $2,500 a semester. Michigan is something more on par with $17,000 including living expenses.

Why do they cost so much? Because Michigan has a bunch of really good schools. Western Michigan has one of the top aviation programs in the country, State has the best farming program in the country, Central has a good teaching program (though Western's is better), and Michigan...well...they do everything well, their football team always has a post season, their hockey team is a top 4 team...oh academic! Yeah they have that too.

Cheers


John Herreshoff
 
john- western... you know you love it.
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i used to throw some kick-a$$ parties when i lived at knowlwood(sp?). that's what i loved. all the young nieve freshman girls walking down lafayette looking for a party their first weekend in town. that's where i would set my snare and catch them. too young to know any better, to dumb to care. ahh, good times..
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That $14,000 a year dealie at Western is probably about right, as that's probably close to what I'm paying here (total, to live and tuition). Tuition is only costing me $2,500 a semester. Michigan is something more on par with $17,000 including living expenses.

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We're including living expenses?? Well, then my number would be up around $17,000 a year too (Boulder is one of the most expensive places to live in the country). The 16k he quoted for the online degree was just tuition right? A person doing that would also have rent, bills, books, etc. I was just comparing the tuition...
 
I'd say anything under 2,500 a semester is very fare, and reasonable these days. Anything more than that is to much in my opinion, unless you have a scholarship, or wealthy parents. I personally don't think it's worth wasting the 10-15K a semester to go to a "big name" school, just so you can say you went there. In reality, most employers don't care where you went, just if you went!

I pay 1,500 a semester at Utah State University, and I paid 1,500 at UVSC also, but thats in state tuition. Out of state tuition at any school is usually double, triple or even more some times, it can be brutal, so avoid that for sure!

..and for UVSC being a waste because it's a correspondance degree, it's not like it says "correspondance" or "online" on the degree, nobody will ever know you got your degree online if you don't tell them. UVSC is an actual college in Provo, Utah with about 20,000 students, so it's not like it's some crappy no-name school. I know it's respected by employers, at least in my area it is.
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Ahhh yes, the student ghetto. Were you around for the "riot" on Euclid back in 2002? I'm living down in that area this summer/next year, place called Oak Forrest right behind West Campus and Redwood, about a block or two from Knollwood.

And yes, this is all including living expenses. Who in their right mind would pay $17,000 in tuition alone?
 
i lived there a couple years before that. i was living in battle creek when the riot occured. wish i would have been there. i remember seeing a picture of this dumb a$$ hanging from the power lines. YES, HANGING.
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they really cracked down on that neighborhood after that. ye old glory days that i remember were no more after that. it used to be a free for all. all the chicks and booze you could handle!
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. i need to quit typing. i think i'm going to cry.
 
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