Solo flight courtesey

Stop and go's as a solo? I never endorsed anything but full stops.

That would be really interesting at the airport we fly out of. We have two parallel >6,000ft runways and the only runway exits are at the beginning, middle and end, with no parallel taxiways. Talk about a 1.0hr first solo! :)

I've never limited the kinds of operations my students can do other than the typical 10kt x-wind limit for their first few solos.
 
That would be really interesting at the airport we fly out of. We have two parallel >6,000ft runways and the only runway exits are at the beginning, middle and end, with no parallel taxiways. Talk about a 1.0hr first solo! :)

I've never limited the kinds of operations my students can do other than the typical 10kt x-wind limit for their first few solos.

Maybe so... or solo out of a different airport, or request taxi-backs, or find a different instructor to sign you off... I don't know. 1 hour solos happened all the time at my airport. Rules are rules, I'm not going to put my ticket on the line just so the student can save a few bucks on taxi time. Gotta have ten hours anyway, right?
 
Did anybody read his post or is it just me that reads it at HE is the student doing full stop taxi backs and another guy is doing the option? Whats all the fuss about?
 
Ugh.


Double ugh. My flight school made that policy change without telling the local ATCT. You should have heard the astonishment in the controllers' voices when they found out. "Oh really? N***AB, please get us a copy of that memo, runway two-six, cleared to land." In fact, aforementioned flight school now only does stop and go landings even for rated pilots. (More accurately, Company policy there calls for a "slow and go", stating, "there is no need to actually stop the aircraft" :eek::oops::rolleyes: ...)

In most training airplanes, it just isn't that hard to maintain directional control while retracting the flaps to some takeoff position, and setting the elevator trim (if required). I'm just not a huge fan of stop and goes for a few reasons that include tire and brake wear...but I've also owned an airplane and had to replace tires and brakes.

I don't get what the big deal is... If a pilot, rated, solo, or receiving dual requests a full stop, they should receive a full stop clearance or an extended traffic pattern. Why should you have to send a memo as part of your clearance?
 
How do you endorse full stops?
I'm not sure if this is your question, but the instructor can place whatever limitations on the endorsement they choose to add. Doing so provides a degree of protection for both the student and the instructor.
 
If you were you might understand why a school would do this.
Please note that "Not a CFI" was specific to the endorsement section. It's in the same spirit of "I'm not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV, but here's how (____) works."

Incidentally, I know exactly why a school would issue such a limitation (having, in fact, had lengthly discussions about it in RL), but my point is that they're solving the wrong problem. The problem is directional control on the after landing roll, or really just positive aircraft control in the presence of a distraction, period.
Liability issue are no fun.
Agreed. Build better pilots to reduce risk and therefore liability.
I have had students essentially "raise the flaps int he flare" as a result of a negative transfer of touch and goes.
I bet they only did it once.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought part of the purpose of putting a CFI over there and not merely turning someone loose is so that you can do a few stupid things in a controlled environment, learn why they are stupid, and then not do them anymore.
Had a student do a go around and his first action was to bring the flaps full up without adding power. He seriously was doing the "touch and go" flow instead of a go-around flow in the air.
Heh, whoops.
The student still gets the experience of touch and goes with the CFI anyway. At least my school only limited it to student pilot solos.
I personally think that the more landing practice you get per tenth, the better—if learning how to land is the purpose of the lesson. And brakes and tires are, as previously stated, expensive.

As a solo student we were not allowed to do touch and go's. All my training was in tailwheels so our tricycle gear students may have had it differently. We did plenty of T&G's with instructors, but not solo.
That actually makes sense to me, because directional control on the after landing roll is a big part of tailwheel flying, and it's more valuable pedagogically (never mind liability) to make each landing a full stop in that sort of machine.

I don't get what the big deal is... If a pilot, rated, solo, or receiving dual requests a full stop, they should receive a full stop clearance or an extended traffic pattern. Why should you have to send a memo as part of your clearance?
Remember that any action a large operator at an airport takes regarding its operations will have a consequent effect on air traffic control, and that airport's capacity to do flight training. In this case, the large operator didn't think it was important to tell ATC that each training operation on the runway was going to take more time, and the number of ATC-initiated go-arounds to protect minimum separation standards went WAY up for a week or so until everyone figured it out.
 
Yes I was the solo student doing full stops, I was #2 and #1 was doing stop and goes. Our ATC is awesome and he told him "no pitching a tent" stop and go.

Edit- reason for full stop and taxi backs I was told is to ensure a full clean up.

I agree it is good experience dealing with traffic.

Thanks for the replies
 
Same with mine.
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And what happens when the tower tells you to go around after you touchdown? Or there is emergency traffic behind you? Or some idiot rolls onto the runway in front of you?

In light pistons, good to treat every landing like you might have to gun it and go around...


I will add that it all depends on the Airspace Class, number of runways, and number of operations (t/o and landings) at the airport.

I was taught T&G's..... Did mine at KNHZ (Naval Air Station Brunswick Maine) back in 2002. There was a KIWI (Wiscasett) a tinny uncontrolled (non-towered) airfield with a 3,000X 50ft runway that was about 10nm northeast of the Naval Base.

I had to prove myself at IWI with successful T&G's before being allowed to solo at NAS Brunswick's large 7 or 8K Rwy. I solo'd on 09/07/2002 on N4717B a C-152. I was the 1st student to solo on the naval base since 9/11 had shutdown the Brunswick Navy Flying Club.


P.s. Insurance companies & their underwriters try to reduce their risks; flight schools comply with policies like this to save a buck on premiums.
 
As others have said, if you're not capable of maintaining positive aircraft control during a T & G, then you probably shouldn't have been endorsed to solo in the first place. If a CFI just wants to err on the side of safety by not allowing it, then I can respect that.
 
As a solo student, you do get some extra consideration, but don't expect it. I'm not going to interrupt my lesson just because you have to extend downwind. Ideally, you wouldn't have to, and we do try and accommodate you as much as possible because we know you're nervous.

On the flip side, it's sort of good that you get thrown the curve balls on your solo flight at your home airport. It gives you a bit of experience to deal with the situation when it comes up at an unfamiliar airport.
 
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