Slow page loads and Posts
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will_fly_for_bandwith
Well-Known Member
I'll configure my cacti server to graph the load times for this page in the forum... However I dont think that it is the JC server.....
wget http://forums.jetcareers.com/tech-support/46408-slow-page-loads-posts-4.html
--19:52:09-- http://forums.jetcareers.com/tech-support/46408-slow-page-loads-po
sts-4.html => `46408-slow-page-loads-posts-4.html.1'
Resolving forums.jetcareers.com... 84.40.28.95
Connecting to forums.jetcareers.com|84.40.28.95|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: unspecified [text/html]
[ <=> ] 52,025 150.47K/s
19:52:13 (150.33 KB/s) - `46408-slow-page-loads-posts-4.html.1' saved [52025]
Wget took 4 seconds to download the page. Just after I ran the wget I reloaded the page and it took 30 seconds or more.....
One reason for this is Wget will not wait for the ads to load.. it grabs the links and moves on. Our browsers will follow the ad links and load the content.
I'm pointing my finger at the ads.. but they pay the bills
wget http://forums.jetcareers.com/tech-support/46408-slow-page-loads-posts-4.html
--19:52:09-- http://forums.jetcareers.com/tech-support/46408-slow-page-loads-po
sts-4.html => `46408-slow-page-loads-posts-4.html.1'
Resolving forums.jetcareers.com... 84.40.28.95
Connecting to forums.jetcareers.com|84.40.28.95|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: unspecified [text/html]
[ <=> ] 52,025 150.47K/s
19:52:13 (150.33 KB/s) - `46408-slow-page-loads-posts-4.html.1' saved [52025]
Wget took 4 seconds to download the page. Just after I ran the wget I reloaded the page and it took 30 seconds or more.....
One reason for this is Wget will not wait for the ads to load.. it grabs the links and moves on. Our browsers will follow the ad links and load the content.
I'm pointing my finger at the ads.. but they pay the bills
will_fly_for_bandwith
Well-Known Member
I'll let this run for a few days
will_fly_for_bandwith
Well-Known Member
A picture is worth a thousand words...
will_fly_for_bandwith
Well-Known Member
Try this..
When you are experencing slow page loads right click the page and select view source. This is the raw html that the server is sending to your browser. If you scan through the text you will see that the page has loaded but it is yet to be displayed. I think that it is the javascript loading the ads.
57ms from your tracert is good.
Tracing route to jetcareers.com [84.40.28.95]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.185.1
2 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms vl164.pttid01.or.integraonline.net [64.122.164.2
]
3 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms v50.pttid01.integra.net [209.63.115.226]
4 2 ms 2 ms 2 ms fe9-3.bv18d51.integra.net [209.63.115.229]
5 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms ge2-24--3.cr01.ptleorte.integra.net [209.63.115.
157]
6 7 ms 7 ms 7 ms tg13-1.cr01.sttlwatw.integra.net [209.63.114.97]
7 8 ms 7 ms 7 ms tg1-1.br01.sttlwawb.integra.net [209.63.114.134]
8 7 ms 7 ms 7 ms ge-6-10-232.car2.Seattle1.Level3.net [4.79.104.1
17]
9 7 ms 17 ms 17 ms ae-32-56.ebr2.Seattle1.Level3.net [4.68.105.190]
10 62 ms 55 ms 54 ms ae-2.ebr2.Denver1.Level3.net [4.69.132.54]
11 67 ms 55 ms 55 ms ae-1-100.ebr1.Denver1.Level3.net [4.69.132.37]
12 57 ms 72 ms 58 ms ae-2.ebr1.Dallas1.Level3.net [4.69.132.106]
13 91 ms 81 ms 85 ms ae-7-7.car2.Tampa1.Level3.net [4.69.133.41]
14 82 ms 82 ms 81 ms ae-24-24.car4.Tampa1.Level3.net [4.69.133.66]
15 86 ms 88 ms 89 ms HOSTWAY-COR.car4.Tampa1.Level3.net [4.71.2.14]
16 87 ms 88 ms 83 ms e1-2.dr2.as30217.net [84.40.24.106]
17 82 ms 83 ms 86 ms lma3075.tam.us.siteprotect.com [84.40.28.95]
Trace complete.
C:\Documents and Settings\>pathping jetcareers.com
Tracing route to jetcareers.com [84.40.28.95]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
0 ICO-xxxxxxx-xxxx 192.168.185.109]
1 192.168.185.1
2 vl164.pttid01.or.integraonline.net [64.122.164.2]
3 v50.pttid01.integra.net [209.63.115.226]
4 fe9-3.bv18d51.integra.net [209.63.115.229]
5 ge2-24--3.cr01.ptleorte.integra.net [209.63.115.157]
6 tg13-1.cr01.sttlwatw.integra.net [209.63.114.97]
7 tg1-1.br01.sttlwawb.integra.net [209.63.114.134]
8 ge-6-10-232.car2.Seattle1.Level3.net [4.79.104.117]
9 ae-32-56.ebr2.Seattle1.Level3.net [4.68.105.190]
10 ae-2.ebr2.Denver1.Level3.net [4.69.132.54]
11 ae-1-100.ebr1.Denver1.Level3.net [4.69.132.37]
12 ae-2.ebr1.Dallas1.Level3.net [4.69.132.106]
13 ae-7-7.car2.Tampa1.Level3.net [4.69.133.41]
14 ae-24-24.car4.Tampa1.Level3.net [4.69.133.66]
15 HOSTWAY-COR.car4.Tampa1.Level3.net [4.71.2.14]
16 e1-2.dr2.as30217.net [84.40.24.106]
17 lma3075.tam.us.siteprotect.com [84.40.28.95]
Computing statistics for 425 seconds...
Source to Here This Node/Link
Hop RTT Lost/Sent = Pct Lost/Sent = Pct Address
0 ICO-JPULFER.ads.integratelecom.com
[192.168.185.109]
0/ 100 = 0% |
1 0ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 192.168.185.1
0/ 100 = 0% |
2 0ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% vl164.pttid01.or.integraonline.net
[64.122.164.2]
0/ 100 = 0% |
3 0ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% v50.pttid01.integra.net [209.63.11
5.226]
0/ 100 = 0% |
4 8ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% fe9-3.bv18d51.integra.net [209.63.
115.229]
0/ 100 = 0% |
5 4ms 1/ 100 = 1% 1/ 100 = 1% ge2-24--3.cr01.ptleorte.integra.ne
t [209.63.115.157]
0/ 100 = 0% |
6 11ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% tg13-1.cr01.sttlwatw.integra.net [
209.63.114.97]
0/ 100 = 0% |
7 13ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% tg1-1.br01.sttlwawb.integra.net [2
09.63.114.134]
0/ 100 = 0% |
8 13ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% ge-6-10-232.car2.Seattle1.Level3.n
et [4.79.104.117]
0/ 100 = 0% |
9 12ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% ae-32-56.ebr2.Seattle1.Level3.net
[4.68.105.190]
0/ 100 = 0% |
10 60ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% ae-2.ebr2.Denver1.Level3.net [4.69
.132.54]
0/ 100 = 0% |
11 60ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% ae-1-100.ebr1.Denver1.Level3.net [
4.69.132.37]
0/ 100 = 0% |
12 59ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% ae-2.ebr1.Dallas1.Level3.net [4.69
.132.106]
0/ 100 = 0% |
13 88ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% ae-7-7.car2.Tampa1.Level3.net [4.6
9.133.41]
0/ 100 = 0% |
14 91ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% ae-24-24.car4.Tampa1.Level3.net [4
.69.133.66]
0/ 100 = 0% |
15 80ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% HOSTWAY-COR.car4.Tampa1.Level3.net
[4.71.2.14]
0/ 100 = 0% |
16 81ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% e1-2.dr2.as30217.net [84.40.24.106
]
0/ 100 = 0% |
17 81ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% lma3075.tam.us.siteprotect.com [84
.40.28.95]
Trace complete.
When you are experencing slow page loads right click the page and select view source. This is the raw html that the server is sending to your browser. If you scan through the text you will see that the page has loaded but it is yet to be displayed. I think that it is the javascript loading the ads.
57ms from your tracert is good.
Tracing route to jetcareers.com [84.40.28.95]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.185.1
2 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms vl164.pttid01.or.integraonline.net [64.122.164.2
]
3 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms v50.pttid01.integra.net [209.63.115.226]
4 2 ms 2 ms 2 ms fe9-3.bv18d51.integra.net [209.63.115.229]
5 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms ge2-24--3.cr01.ptleorte.integra.net [209.63.115.
157]
6 7 ms 7 ms 7 ms tg13-1.cr01.sttlwatw.integra.net [209.63.114.97]
7 8 ms 7 ms 7 ms tg1-1.br01.sttlwawb.integra.net [209.63.114.134]
8 7 ms 7 ms 7 ms ge-6-10-232.car2.Seattle1.Level3.net [4.79.104.1
17]
9 7 ms 17 ms 17 ms ae-32-56.ebr2.Seattle1.Level3.net [4.68.105.190]
10 62 ms 55 ms 54 ms ae-2.ebr2.Denver1.Level3.net [4.69.132.54]
11 67 ms 55 ms 55 ms ae-1-100.ebr1.Denver1.Level3.net [4.69.132.37]
12 57 ms 72 ms 58 ms ae-2.ebr1.Dallas1.Level3.net [4.69.132.106]
13 91 ms 81 ms 85 ms ae-7-7.car2.Tampa1.Level3.net [4.69.133.41]
14 82 ms 82 ms 81 ms ae-24-24.car4.Tampa1.Level3.net [4.69.133.66]
15 86 ms 88 ms 89 ms HOSTWAY-COR.car4.Tampa1.Level3.net [4.71.2.14]
16 87 ms 88 ms 83 ms e1-2.dr2.as30217.net [84.40.24.106]
17 82 ms 83 ms 86 ms lma3075.tam.us.siteprotect.com [84.40.28.95]
Trace complete.
C:\Documents and Settings\>pathping jetcareers.com
Tracing route to jetcareers.com [84.40.28.95]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
0 ICO-xxxxxxx-xxxx 192.168.185.109]
1 192.168.185.1
2 vl164.pttid01.or.integraonline.net [64.122.164.2]
3 v50.pttid01.integra.net [209.63.115.226]
4 fe9-3.bv18d51.integra.net [209.63.115.229]
5 ge2-24--3.cr01.ptleorte.integra.net [209.63.115.157]
6 tg13-1.cr01.sttlwatw.integra.net [209.63.114.97]
7 tg1-1.br01.sttlwawb.integra.net [209.63.114.134]
8 ge-6-10-232.car2.Seattle1.Level3.net [4.79.104.117]
9 ae-32-56.ebr2.Seattle1.Level3.net [4.68.105.190]
10 ae-2.ebr2.Denver1.Level3.net [4.69.132.54]
11 ae-1-100.ebr1.Denver1.Level3.net [4.69.132.37]
12 ae-2.ebr1.Dallas1.Level3.net [4.69.132.106]
13 ae-7-7.car2.Tampa1.Level3.net [4.69.133.41]
14 ae-24-24.car4.Tampa1.Level3.net [4.69.133.66]
15 HOSTWAY-COR.car4.Tampa1.Level3.net [4.71.2.14]
16 e1-2.dr2.as30217.net [84.40.24.106]
17 lma3075.tam.us.siteprotect.com [84.40.28.95]
Computing statistics for 425 seconds...
Source to Here This Node/Link
Hop RTT Lost/Sent = Pct Lost/Sent = Pct Address
0 ICO-JPULFER.ads.integratelecom.com
[192.168.185.109]
0/ 100 = 0% |
1 0ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 192.168.185.1
0/ 100 = 0% |
2 0ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% vl164.pttid01.or.integraonline.net
[64.122.164.2]
0/ 100 = 0% |
3 0ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% v50.pttid01.integra.net [209.63.11
5.226]
0/ 100 = 0% |
4 8ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% fe9-3.bv18d51.integra.net [209.63.
115.229]
0/ 100 = 0% |
5 4ms 1/ 100 = 1% 1/ 100 = 1% ge2-24--3.cr01.ptleorte.integra.ne
t [209.63.115.157]
0/ 100 = 0% |
6 11ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% tg13-1.cr01.sttlwatw.integra.net [
209.63.114.97]
0/ 100 = 0% |
7 13ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% tg1-1.br01.sttlwawb.integra.net [2
09.63.114.134]
0/ 100 = 0% |
8 13ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% ge-6-10-232.car2.Seattle1.Level3.n
et [4.79.104.117]
0/ 100 = 0% |
9 12ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% ae-32-56.ebr2.Seattle1.Level3.net
[4.68.105.190]
0/ 100 = 0% |
10 60ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% ae-2.ebr2.Denver1.Level3.net [4.69
.132.54]
0/ 100 = 0% |
11 60ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% ae-1-100.ebr1.Denver1.Level3.net [
4.69.132.37]
0/ 100 = 0% |
12 59ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% ae-2.ebr1.Dallas1.Level3.net [4.69
.132.106]
0/ 100 = 0% |
13 88ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% ae-7-7.car2.Tampa1.Level3.net [4.6
9.133.41]
0/ 100 = 0% |
14 91ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% ae-24-24.car4.Tampa1.Level3.net [4
.69.133.66]
0/ 100 = 0% |
15 80ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% HOSTWAY-COR.car4.Tampa1.Level3.net
[4.71.2.14]
0/ 100 = 0% |
16 81ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% e1-2.dr2.as30217.net [84.40.24.106
]
0/ 100 = 0% |
17 81ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% lma3075.tam.us.siteprotect.com [84
.40.28.95]
Trace complete.
O.K.
That all went (whoosh) way over my head.
Question for you though, since you seem to know your stuff...I'm running Opera, and (don't tell Doug but) I have the browser set to block the ads. Would I still have the slow loads from "the javascipt loading the ads"?
Also, why would there be a variation in apparent website responsiveness if it were a javascript issue?
Oh, and a third question (
), would it help Doug troubleshoot the issue if I ran some of the other programs like you just did (pathping and viewing the source)?(I am sooooo over my head here.)
will_fly_for_bandwith
Well-Known Member
With regards to Opera it would depend on how it blocks the ad's that counts. If the browser loads and executes the JavaScript but you don’t see the images (perhaps a red X in a white square) the java is still being run. Good point about the lack of uniformity of page loads... why so quick... why so slow ??
In another tab I have the aviation thread open..
This is at the bottom..
src='http://www.jetcareers.com/phpads/adframe.php?n=a0a41be0&what=zone:3&source=jetcareers&target=_blank&refresh=120' framespacing='0' frameborder='no' scrolling='no' width='468' height='60'><a href='http://www.jetcareers.com/phpads/adclick.php?n=a0a41be0' target='_blank'>
So the adds are generated from the addframe php script in what looks like a frame. I wonder if frames are processed in a hierarchy...therefore the add frame is near the top and any delays hold up the whole page load.... but this is speculation!!
tracroutes help where there are network issues. However ICMP (Internet Connection Management Protocol) is normally weighted as a low priority therefore the results can be misleading (traceroute and ping use ICMP) but it can be a piece of the puzzle. Also I suspect that the host that we ping is just the wan side of a load balancer so we are not reaching the actual www server.
Having had to trouble shoot networking and systems related issues before tracerts and pings are always welcome.
..
I kinda prefer the graphing tool that I used (cacti) because it ignores all the java and just grabs the content.
In another tab I have the aviation thread open..
This is at the bottom..
src='http://www.jetcareers.com/phpads/adframe.php?n=a0a41be0&what=zone:3&source=jetcareers&target=_blank&refresh=120' framespacing='0' frameborder='no' scrolling='no' width='468' height='60'><a href='http://www.jetcareers.com/phpads/adclick.php?n=a0a41be0' target='_blank'>
So the adds are generated from the addframe php script in what looks like a frame. I wonder if frames are processed in a hierarchy...therefore the add frame is near the top and any delays hold up the whole page load.... but this is speculation!!
tracroutes help where there are network issues. However ICMP (Internet Connection Management Protocol) is normally weighted as a low priority therefore the results can be misleading (traceroute and ping use ICMP) but it can be a piece of the puzzle. Also I suspect that the host that we ping is just the wan side of a load balancer so we are not reaching the actual www server.
Having had to trouble shoot networking and systems related issues before tracerts and pings are always welcome.
..
I kinda prefer the graphing tool that I used (cacti) because it ignores all the java and just grabs the content.
will_fly_for_bandwith
Well-Known Member
and
gevo
New Member
for those who are having problems, what internet browser are you using? You may have filters on, or other settings on or off which can greatly affect your load times.
On these pages there are all sorts of scripts, pictures, animations... if just one of those sends an alert to your filters for security, privacy.. etc.. then the browser will spend a decade trying to authenticate, authorize and check to see if it is safe to open according to your settings..
so, which internet browsers are you using?
On these pages there are all sorts of scripts, pictures, animations... if just one of those sends an alert to your filters for security, privacy.. etc.. then the browser will spend a decade trying to authenticate, authorize and check to see if it is safe to open according to your settings..
so, which internet browsers are you using?
thepedroid
Well-Known Member
I use IE7 and FF 2.0.0.4 at work. my browsers at work have no filters because I do tech support for websites.
at home I am on a mac and mostly use FF. Sometimes I'll use Safari but not too often. Usually only to test if the slowness is in both browsers. At home I have a 10MB connection from cox. I don't know the speeds at work but it's fast.
Ever since fly_for_bandwidth has been monitoring the site I haven't had any slowness. The site has been loading as fast as any other site which is making making me
.
If I do experience it though I'll post trace and ping info.
at home I am on a mac and mostly use FF. Sometimes I'll use Safari but not too often. Usually only to test if the slowness is in both browsers. At home I have a 10MB connection from cox. I don't know the speeds at work but it's fast.
Ever since fly_for_bandwidth has been monitoring the site I haven't had any slowness. The site has been loading as fast as any other site which is making making me
.If I do experience it though I'll post trace and ping info.
thepedroid
Well-Known Member
wouldn't you know that as soon as I say the site is going fast, it doesntload at all. it was for a really short time though. Just for fun i typed forums.jetcareers.com into the addy bar of IE7. Request timed out. to make sure i went back to FF which still had this page on the screen and I clicked on General topics. Request timed out. immediatly did a trace and ping. after I did the first set of tests i tested from browser and it loaded fine....weird. does seem like it was just a hiccup in Dallas.
this is the test trace immediatly after it started working again.
will_fly_for_bandwith
Well-Known Member
The graphs that I posted above are located on a server at work. I installed cacti on my home box and have configured ICMP polling (one ICMP packet every 5 mins) to forums.jetcarreers.com
http://thepulfers.no-ip.com:460/cacti
User is guest
Pass is guest
Click on the tree item on the left called jetcarreers.
The server is normaly up......
http://thepulfers.no-ip.com:460/cacti
User is guest
Pass is guest
Click on the tree item on the left called jetcarreers.
The server is normaly up......
As a non-technical observation, JC tends to load slower than other sites, just in general. This morning (in GRR) JC pages are typically taking 7 to 8 seconds to fully load, while a random sample of other sites load within 3 to 4 seconds. I'm on an old, slow laptop on a wireless network, so the absolute time values are rather irrelevant, but the difference in time may be pertinent.
edit to add:
Actually, I loaded some more random pages from my favorites, and JC is in the middle of the bunch as far as quickness. Like I said, 7 to 8 seconds is typical, while fast pages (Mike's site for example) load in half the time. Some other sites, though, with lots of "stuff" take even longer than JC. Sites like Ebay, Yahoo, and even Netflix ran 10 - 14 seconds to load on this beast of a machine this morning. Again, purely non-scientific data, buy maybe helpful???
edit to add:
Actually, I loaded some more random pages from my favorites, and JC is in the middle of the bunch as far as quickness. Like I said, 7 to 8 seconds is typical, while fast pages (Mike's site for example) load in half the time. Some other sites, though, with lots of "stuff" take even longer than JC. Sites like Ebay, Yahoo, and even Netflix ran 10 - 14 seconds to load on this beast of a machine this morning. Again, purely non-scientific data, buy maybe helpful???
Boieng747pilot
New Member
Yeah... Even when trying to load this post it was slow...
I think it is the firewall checking the website for viruses.
Thats what MY comp. says. Hope this helps!
I think it is the firewall checking the website for viruses.
Thats what MY comp. says. Hope this helps!