Skywest/union

...in both this thread and the now closed one. XJT has been referred to as a bad company.

One need not be an Eloi or a Morlock to remember back to 04 & 05 when they were the place to be, the IT regional.

So, I find it confusing to hear XJT continually referred to as a bad company. This industry is cyclical. The "it" airline today could be tomorrows loser.

I have no dog in this fight at all, but lets just learn from history (for all the SKYW peeps) who seem to think that their company is impervious to an industry wide shake up, and want to call XJT a "bad company".

Oil at $126 bb is a game changer, one that if long term even the great SKYW might not be able to weather.
 
moose said:
There WILL be preferential hiring. SkyWest management has made it clear that when we get furloughed they will throw preferential hiring our way to start as first year fo's doing the same exact job for the same company we were just furloughed from. Sounds fair to me. Ofcourse none of this will be in ink but hey... thats a hint of sarcasm you sense
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Ah ok some sarcasm I'm like wtf.... Why even furlough then ya know? Makes no sense to me! Matter of saving money and starting them all over at the bottom perhaps?
 
None of the pilots that I work with want XJT to go out of business. I have never overheard anyone wishing that either. People I flew with, former friends and instructors are there.

No one here gives each other high fives in the crew room when we hear about a potential merger etc. Naturally everyone is curious to see how such things would change their lives. Personally I suspect IF something happened it would go much like the ASA deal went.

Like Max said, this industry is cyclical and the golden child airline of today may be the red headed step child a few years down the road. Wishing unemployment on anyone is BAD KARMA or whatever you want to call it.
 
It's late so this will make absolutely no sense but majority of the folks I fly with seem to view this as a hostile take over and not a merger. The offer that was presented to us is a joke and it aims to destroy the contract and quality of life that a lot of pilots have worked hard for. It craps all over the contract and quality of life that most if not all other "regional" airlines wish they enjoyed. I know I'm biased... tired and a little buzzed. G'night!
 
meyers9163 said:
Needless to say we have a while to wait and see what happens. I guess it is just a matter of time and we all will have more of a clear picture as to what will happen.
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I've still been waiting to get a clear picture of ANYTHING in the airline business and it's put bread in the toaster for the last 13 or so years.
 
moose said:
It's late so this will make absolutely no sense but majority of the folks I fly with seem to view this as a hostile take over and not a merger. The offer that was presented to us is a joke and it aims to destroy the contract and quality of life that a lot of pilots have worked hard for. It craps all over the contract and quality of life that most if not all other "regional" airlines wish they enjoyed. I know I'm biased... tired and a little buzzed. G'night!
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That's an excellent way of saying it.
 
Just another reminder folks, try to stay above the fray a little, mm'kay?

When you post pissed, someone reports it and the firemen arrive, we're not going to sit there, break out the score pads and make sure it's an even fight. We're NOT refs nor would anyone in his/her right mind volunteer to do such.

If someone urinates on the living room carpet, report it.
 
Doug Taylor said:
I've still been waiting to get a clear picture of ANYTHING in the airline business and it's put bread in the toaster for the last 13 or so years.
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Very true.... give it a few more days and perhaps we can pick through the mud a little better and more informed? :D
 
It's like a murky abyss. Most days it's W0X0F, other days it's about about 2400RVR.
 
The key thing to remember in this whole thing (cause it's gonna be U G L Y no matter what happens) is that it's Skywest management that's calling the shots, NOT the pilots. Now, on the flip side, I think the Skywest guys need to have a sense of "But for the grace of <insert diety here> there go I" in this whole thing. This could be ANY ONE of us.

And I agree. This smacks of a hostile takeover, not a "merger." Skywest management is acting like their doing all the XJT guys a favor by being nice enough to buy their company, put people on the street and wreck the scope clause. Truth is, Skywest management sees a money making opportunity. You don't make money in this industry by doing guys favors.

Oh, and Max. Good call on the Eloi/Morlock thing. :)
 
We can hem and haw all we want, but we're simply pawns in the whole process.

There's been some media speculation about the NWA/DAL thing from labor's standpoint, but that's just the powers-that-be trying to allay the fears of investors that it's not going to end up another USAir.

Pilots have zero control, in fact, they love it when we fight one another. They probably think it's like watching ferrets wrestle: "Awww, lookit 'em! Awwww!"
 
Doug Taylor said:
We can hem and haw all we want, but we're simply pawns in the whole process.

There's been some media speculation about the NWA/DAL thing from labor's standpoint, but that's just the powers-that-be trying to allay the fears of investors that it's not going to end up another USAir.

Pilots have zero control, in fact, they love it when we fight one another. They probably think it's like watching ferrets wrestle: "Awww, lookit 'em! Awwww!"
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ANY update on the NWA/DAL deal? random new thread just thought i'd ask real fast.... Knew their pilot groups were meeting and that our lovely politicans are really pushing against the deal.
 
Politicians hate it because, at the threat of bruising delicate egos, it's structured as more of an acquisition rather than a merger so the HQ will be shifting to ATL. Some of the MN politicos are peeved. According to the IT guys they're going to leave a data center there so the company doesn't have all of it's IT eggs in one basket like they do now, I drank some beer with some of them in Brazil a few weeks ago.

The pilots are meeting next week I think. This week? I dunno. Each side has their own idea of what seniority integration should be and who knows if there's a middle ground. NWA guys have the impression that since DALPA was able to negotiate an interim pay/benefits increase without including NWA that they were thrown under the rug.

I don't know, it's going to be messy most likely. Too many delicate egos, "Our biggest plane's got FOUR engines, and yours only has two" on one side, "We're the liberators, YOU'RE the liberated" on the other side, eehh...

Not much I can do! Beers still cold, maing... Taters 'n gravy.
 
S'actly. Why get your blood pressure all elevated over things which you have little control over, ya know?

Now if you DID have some control it's one thing. But I'm sure the powers-that-be at Skywest and ExpressJet weren't on a conference call with the pilots deciding the next course of action.

Just like NWA and DAL, they pretty much dropped this albatross on our lap.
 
Here's what you XJT guys might just be missing.

The SKW ALPA drive failed by just a small percentage. If SKW succeeds in taking you over, the first order of business on your part is a representation election. Given the numbers you bring to the table, getting ALPA on the property is a sure thing.

Then they're going to HAVE to merge the lists unless they intend to operated XJT as a seperate entity.
 
Velocipede said:
Here's what you XJT guys might just be missing.

The SKW ALPA drive failed by just a small percentage. If SKW succeeds in taking you over, the first order of business on your part is a representation election. Given the numbers you bring to the table, getting ALPA on the property is a sure thing.

Then they're going to HAVE to merge the lists unless they intend to operated XJT as a seperate entity.
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They intend to operated XJT as a seperate entity.
 
Velocipede said:
Here's what you XJT guys might just be missing.

The SKW ALPA drive failed by just a small percentage. If SKW succeeds in taking you over, the first order of business on your part is a representation election. Given the numbers you bring to the table, getting ALPA on the property is a sure thing.

Then they're going to HAVE to merge the lists unless they intend to operated XJT as a seperate entity.
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It would be a great thing.... However who knows if SKW would ever want to run it together. Probably keep it seperate for a while at least much like ASA would be a good GUESS. But again we do not know anything really yet.
 
meyers9163 said:
Do we know what is going on? I was not aware anyone knows exactly what Mr CEO over at SKW wants to do?
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Well we know what they told our union, which is their plans are to run ExpressJet as a "separately held airline under the holding company umbrella, similar to the way they currently hold and operate ASA".
 
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