Speed Pilot
Brain Damaged
Ah yes. Alaska Air's Mismanagement team at it's best. This is one time I hate to be proven right by my previous mad ravings on the subject.
SkyWest starts flying for Alaska Airlines
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Bumblebee
Commodore
I know not to/from training, but for recurrent let's say, you go in for 8 hours and get paid how much? When I first came to work, we got paid daily min for travel to training, but they changed that as I recall(I really can't remember LOL)
bike21
9-5 Ruins Lives
I'd have to look it up but too lazy right now. I think it is only DH credit for your travel days and not MDG, which is why they had it in the initial pay proposal to 'fix it'. However it was of low importance in the survey after that pay package got voted down and SAPA pursued some other interests in place.
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
zmiller4
Well-Known Member
It's nice for sure. You rarely see it because it creates an incentive for the company to not build trips like that.
Also, how do you guys get paid for cancellations? Is it leg-by-leg or daily? If we have three legs scheduled and divert on the first and have the last two cancel, we get paid any overage from leg 1, the 2nd leg back, and the credit for the cancelled round trip...it's really nice and builds credit fast on crappy days.
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
Not sure, I've always been on reserve and never paid attention to be honest.
SurferLucas
Southern Gentleman
Horizon actually operated the F.28 in the MK1000 and MK4000 models, we never operated the F100. The F.28's were replaced when Horizon became the North America launch customer for the CRJ700. Horizon has some of the oldest 700's in the US, and they did a fantastic job for us.
A few of Horizon's F.28's came from USAir back in the day, and if you're ever around Moses Lake (or Moses Hole), there are a few F.28's still in storage there in the basic Horizon colors.
Polar742
All the responsibility none of the authority
I remember seeing them on the ramp in SEA.
I see a boondoggle rapidly approaching.....
SurferLucas
Southern Gentleman
Does that include the whipsaw that will come along in 12 months when the Error Group wants to lower our payrates...and if we don't, they'll lease our aircraft to Colgan or someone else that will do it for cheaper?
If you're over in the Chicago area Polar, you'll be seeing Horizon's Q400's coming over for MX, since all major MX has been farmed out now to 3rd parties.
Bumblebee
Commodore
We saw those last year...I don't think it was readily identifiable from the color scheme. I think a South American firm bought them, but now they just sit and collect rent...
SurferLucas
Southern Gentleman
I'm not actually sure what they're doing there these days...just know from driving by MWH. The pilots I knew that flew the F.28's loved them, same as the few that flew the Doinker's back in the day. Sad that aircraft didn't work out for Horizon.
Polar742
All the responsibility none of the authority
I had a good friend that was headhunted to be CFO for a certain northwest operator. They sent him a packet of info about the job. For some reason, he respects my knowledge of the industry and had me look through it.
All I'll say is that based on that information, and the information presented therein, he didn't take the job. I can also see McSame coming to this operator.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
To put things in perspective, the "gems" everyone is talking about at Skywest (minus 100% DH and 2:1 rigs) are now present in the Pinnacle TA. That's right, even the crappy regional will have things like a min day, leg by leg cancellation pay and (finally) block or better (even if we overblock on a DH). Suddenly, like jtrain said, they're less gems and more of a baseline that every regional should have.
I don't lose sleep or cry over Skywest losing flying to ASA in ORD. Honestly, if there were one list, it wouldn't be a big deal. But, Skywest didn't want that, so that's what happens with the holding company shell game. Management doesn't really care since they see the same money either way.
I don't lose sleep or cry over Skywest losing flying to ASA in ORD. Honestly, if there were one list, it wouldn't be a big deal. But, Skywest didn't want that, so that's what happens with the holding company shell game. Management doesn't really care since they see the same money either way.
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
What'd you say? All I heard was "One List."
How can you expect skywest people to support one list? skywest is getting 13 a/c growth this year so far this means that more people will upgrade get off reserve and have a better life because of it. If we were one list then those 13 planes would be spread across 7000 pilots. One list would be a windfall for asa and expressjet. Any benefit would be very small to skywest people. If that were to happen I think skywest should get a more favorable intergration.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
This may come as a shock to your Skywest cheerleading system, but how about because it's the right thing to do? We have some pretty senior guys over at Pinnacle, but nothing like Mesaba. They're probably gonna take a major seniority hit, but it's worth it to avoid the potential whipsaw down the road. Colgan could see a huge windfall, too, but it's worth it to avoid the company coming to us and saying "We're putting Colgan on these routes. Hit the streets." Ask those Skywest guys that were happily based in ORD if they think avoiding the one list was good for them as ASA/XJT guys are put in their former places. What happens down the road if economies of scale have ASA/XJT doing things cheaper than Skywest? You think the big wigs in SLC are just gonna say "Well, these guys are the home team. They're more expensive now, but we like 'em." No. They're gonna go with what's cheaper. If that means shrinking Skywest in favor of ASA/XJT, they'll do it. You go with the one list to protect everyone in the long run, not for just short term gains.
Sure, you're getting 13 airframes this year. What about when Delta starts pulling back flying in the future? ASA's got a nice clause with Delta that guarantees ATL flying. If United/Continental are successful with their scope drive, Skywest is gonna be hit.....HARD. One list could save a lot of the Skywest guys some heartache if that happens. If CAL's scope sticks, ASA and XJT will pretty much be untouched as far as their flying goes. All those -700s flying for United under Skywest will wind up collecting dust. Best case of Skywest, they might be able to find homes for half of them. What happens to the pilots affected, though? Preferential hiring at ASA/XJT on the bottom of the list, likely. With one list, a lot of guys might be able to salvage some seniority and keep their jobs.
bike21
9-5 Ruins Lives
Sadly Steve, more than a few around here only think short term and heavily rely on the idea of 'me' for most decisions.
bike21
9-5 Ruins Lives
To be clear, perhaps 'gems' likely wasn't the correct term to use however we've had these things for a very long time and they have been rather helpful. We certainly have our issues to work through but this place isn't the worst place on Earth to work either.
Bumblebee
Commodore
As a former SAPA rep I can confirm this unfortunate reality. As far as being selfish, it's to the point of complaining about something, but doing nothing, zero, nada, squat to even compile data I could use as an argument to help.