SkyWest Pilots: Please VOTE

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Bluto

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Only approx. 1/6th of our pilots have voted in the SAPA presidential election thus far. If you are a SkyWest pilot, please vote. If you know a SkyWest pilot, ask them if they've voted yet. There is plenty of information out there about the two candidates so educate yourself and choose. Thanks.
 
Maybe the pilots at Skywest realize that SAPA is just a pawn for management and want a real vote for ALPA representation?
 
Sounds like only 1/6 of the pilot group gives a crap about SAPA...and even that's probably stretching it!
 
aloft said:
Sounds like only 1/6 of the pilot group gives a crap about SAPA...and even that's probably stretching it!
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Seggy said:
Maybe the pilots at Skywest realize that SAPA is just a pawn for management and want a real vote for ALPA representation?
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Guys, this is the same apathetic attitude that likely resulted in a pretty mediocre showing for something as important as our last pay package. I can't tell you how many times I heard, "I hate SAPA, so I'm going to protest by not even voting on this garbage pay package." Guys, please believe me when I tell you that the appearance of laziness or apathy will not serve the purpose you desire.

If you are unimpressed with SAPA (and who isn't!?), start a campaign to get the bylaws changed so Scott Mitchell, or one of the other well-spoken vocal pro-ALPA guys has a chance. As it is, with the system we currently have, the most positive thing SGU could see is a 100% voter turnout. If there's anything that could get SGU to change their tone towards this pilot group it is the appearance that this group actually cares what happens to them.

As it is, with pathetic voter turn-out, it appears to SGU, and to me frankly, that this pilot group in general is happy with status quo; "Whatever SGU decides to give us is fine by me. They treat us pretty well, don't they?"

If you don't want your lack of a vote to be chalked up by BH to the attitude above, I recommend a vote. If we as a pilot group want to send a message to SGU, I think a 99.9% vote for BS would at least clue them in that we are unhappy with our current unelected president.

I'm not interested in telling people how to vote, but the system only works when we take an interest in our representative structure. Seggy and Aloft, if you guys are as frustrated with SAPA as you appear, I certainly hope you have volunteered to be on the OC. I hope you've made it to one of the training events recently. If not, your philosophy sounds like a justification for laziness. There's too much apathy in this pilot group and not enough action.

Am I frustrated that our current structure is not truly representative of my needs and desires? Yes. Do I recognize the need for legitimate representation? Most definitely. Still, however, you have to recognize that the ALPA drive may not succeed. If it doesn't, the president we elect this month could be the one under which we negotiate our next pay agreement. Do you want him to have some political capital when he goes to do that? Do you think SGU is going to take him as seriously when they know he only received a handful of votes and that most of our pilots didn't even care to vote?

Lastly, if you choose to not vote as a message of some sort, I hope at least that you will accompany your non-vote with a letter to the SAPA Executive Board explaining your choice. Anything less is too easy to misconstrue as acceptance of status quo as an acceptable path forward.
 
Yet again, internal company politics being debated by people who don't have any connection whatsoever to my company. Pisses me off more than SAPA sucking.
 
IMHO, it was posted on a "public forum" for everyone to see and comment on.:hiya: If you guys want to keep those individuals who are not SkyWest pilot's from debating or commenting; keep it internal via exhisting outlets for posting info for SkyWest pilots. In other words; if it's posted on here, it's fair game for every one.
 
Agreed, it's posted in a public forum so we can spread the word that a vote is underway. I think jdflight's frustration is at non-skywest pilots suggesting that apathy is a reasonable response to subpar representation. The more discussion, the more exposure, hopefully the more people will realize that it doesn't take much effort to spend about 30 seconds to click one of the two choices.
 
Good post Bluto. I am soooo sick of the apathy. I voted in the first hours of the vote and am not happy with SAPA at all. However, as you stated we need to participate.

Those who DO NOT vote CANNOT complain. Period.

Oh and I have forms for Executive Board recall if anyone is interested. Just PM me.
 
bike21 said:
Good post Bluto. I am soooo sick of the apathy. I voted in the first hours of the vote and am not happy with SAPA at all. However, as you stated we need to participate.

Those who DO NOT vote CANNOT complain. Period.

Oh and I have forms for Executive Board recall if anyone is interested. Just PM me.
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If you guys get pro ALPA guys on SAPA, who much easier would it get to get everyone convinced to turn in their representation cards and vote ALPa onto the property?
 
There are pro ALPA guys on SAPA. Quite a few actually. Problem is, our apathetic or scared pilot group is just sitting there. Idle. Waiting for something - I dunno what.

The sad thing is, the last thing that really got the whole group fired up was when mgt wanted to change the alcohol limit to 12 hours. Sad :(
 
The pilot group elected a pro-ALPA guy as SAPA president and all that happened was the company and SAPA leadership started subverting his leadership. The only real solution is a legitimate form of representation. However, we also need to plan for the worst (SAPA) and vote accordingly.
 
Ya know, I really supported Mark big time. But I still have this uneasy feeling how he abandoned us. Anytime you are a leader of a group, you are going to get flak. And sometimes a lot of flak like this case. The whole resignation thing didn't sit well with me.

Whether was forced or he gave up, I dunno. I just didn't like it.
 
bike21 said:
Ya know, I really supported Mark big time. But I still have this uneasy feeling how he abandoned us. Anytime you are a leader of a group, you are going to get flak. And sometimes a lot of flak like this case. The whole resignation thing didn't sit well with me.

Whether was forced or he gave up, I dunno. I just didn't like it.
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I was sorry to see him go, but didn't he accept another job?


Anyway, my vote is in.
 
Bluto said:
Seggy and Aloft, if you guys are as frustrated with SAPA as you appear, I certainly hope you have volunteered to be on the OC. I hope you've made it to one of the training events recently. If not, your philosophy sounds like a justification for laziness. There's too much apathy in this pilot group and not enough action.
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A) I don't work for Skywest

B) I am heavily involved with the ALPA organizing drive at Colgan. For the past two months, if I have not been flying, I have been attending an organizing event for us. I don't need a lecture on apathy. People have to get involved.

jdflight said:
Yet again, internal company politics being debated by people who don't have any connection whatsoever to my company. Pisses me off more than SAPA sucking.
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pilot602 said:
Yup.
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Sorry guys but the internal politics of one company can and does affect professional pilots as a whole.
 
Soul Brotha' said:
What is SAPA guys? I'm assuming Skywest Airlines Pilot Association.
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Yep. However it is technically 'Pilots'. I don't point this out to call you out, rather to point some members of SAPA, particularly those on the executive board, believe it is indeed a singular word. They stopped representing the group as a whole a long time ago. I am really close to running for a rep position and getting involved.
 
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