Skywest Mins?
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meyers9163
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I'd be really surprised if they were to do this. Then again from others doing this and with the state of the industry I cant say I'd be shocked. I just know some older guys there (seniority 20 years plus) and have not heard a word of this. But then again they are more focused on flying then worrrying about lowering mins. But I know they do not care even for 1000TT pilots flying with them. I know this is just a few of the guys there, and some people have thoughts on total time and if they can fly or not but I'd just be surprised if they did.
Captain_Bob
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Yeah... ExpressJet get's the bottom feeders since they hire at 600/100.
Skywest currently has an LOA with ATP for 800/100... the same as their internal mins.
Word on the street is that they may have already started to consider many applicants with less than 1000/100 however.
Bob
jonboy34
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Yeah... ExpressJet get's the bottom feeders since they hire at 600/100.
Skywest currently has an LOA with ATP for 800/100... the same as their internal mins.
Word on the street is that they may have already started to consider many applicants with less than 1000/100 however.
Bob
I was hired at 1000/100 2 months ago, just finished training yesterday, I've spoken to many in the hiring department while I was in training because i have friends at ASA with about 950ish and the same response from everyone is "the second he has 1000 he can interview" They are trying to do away with this "agreement" with ATP flight school, no one I spoke to really knows where it came from, and none of them are happy about it.
If u want to work here go to a skywest job fair, easiest way to get hired. My buddy just went to the one this week, he said apparently they are getting picky again, telling people without 121/135 time to come back when they have some. I think its because they can't fill upgrade classes on the EMB120 right now. So they want guys who can upgrade within a few months, if u can meet 2500tt/1000crew. But if you meet the flat mins and sell yourself, you'll at least get a shot for a real interview in SLC. Most of the guys in my bro class were not 121, and some bareley had 1000
good luck, the people here are awesome
Ophir
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I don't see them dropping it. After what I heard coming out of the training department I don't think they wanna drop their mins. Although the CFI's coming online at SKYW are doing ok they are suffering a lot in the jet. I think most of the check airmen would be up in arms in they lowered their mins.
Captain_Bob
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Hmmm... have you talked with Camielle? Or Dave Faddis... you know... the Director of Training & Standards? I do admit to being wrong... it is 850TT and not 800TT.
However... all Dave has to do is cancel the deal. It's not like ATP is holding them over a barrel or anything.
Bob
jonboy34
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Hmmm... have you talked with Camielle? Or Dave Faddis... you know... the Director of Training & Standards? I do admit to being wrong... it is 850TT and not 800TT.
However... all Dave has to do is cancel the deal. It's not like ATP is holding them over a barrel or anything. So... what's the problem exactly?
Other than that.... My "word on the street" about them lowering their mins did come from mostly rumor... but it was rumor from this thread here that appeared to have some fact and even the word of current Skywest pilots:
http://jetcareers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28839&highlight=skywest+mins
Even Ophir admits to hearing that they were being lowered.
Bob
I've seen that letter before, which is why I was asking everyone I could in the hiring department to see if my friend with over 500 hours of crj time would be competitive over a seminole instructor... thats when the person i was talking to expressed his opinion on the hiriring minima, most there really don't want it to ever be below 1000, I think the hiring captains were uncomfortable with whatever agreement Dennis made with ATP. Camielle is actually the person who decides who gets to interview or not.
So this deal may still be in effect, the bottom line is they are still pretty damn picky on who they hire...
Captain_Bob
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I agree... I've heard the same. But if they are in a "growth" or "need" phase... what will happen... will happen.
Look at Eagle right now... decent contract, decent QOL, potential (about time) for movement up the seniority list soon... and they can't practically pay folks to show up for class. As a company... they will do what it takes to get "butts in the seats".
Like'em or hate'em... XJT lowered their mins over two years ago... and now they still have a stack of resume's that they can now be "picky" with... high and low timers. They have no problem filling class dates... and no one is crashing their planes out of training.
Bob
DE727UPS
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"and no one is crashing their planes out of training"
And no one will, but there is no doubt the less experience one has the more of a burden they are to a new Capt. At some point the line should be drawn. Rather than lower the bar by lowering mins, it would be nice to see airlines raising pay to slow the problem of attrition.
And no one will, but there is no doubt the less experience one has the more of a burden they are to a new Capt. At some point the line should be drawn. Rather than lower the bar by lowering mins, it would be nice to see airlines raising pay to slow the problem of attrition.
meyers9163
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Three questions or comments.
1st The ATP Agreement I thought and I could be wrong states once one reaches 1000/100ME they would be "granted an interview" and then they would continue to instruct to 1000/100me before they could actually start at SKW.
2nd I was not aware that with an internal recommendation one would be hired or could be hired with any lower mins then the published? I thought someone had mention this and before now I've never heard that.
3rd They are getting picky when they need 120 pilots over the next three months? I hadnt heard of SKW telling people without 121/135 experience no based on not having experience. Just as one mention they hire pleanty of guys/girls with just CFI/MEI experience.
Anyone know other wise to any of this?
1st The ATP Agreement I thought and I could be wrong states once one reaches 1000/100ME they would be "granted an interview" and then they would continue to instruct to 1000/100me before they could actually start at SKW.
2nd I was not aware that with an internal recommendation one would be hired or could be hired with any lower mins then the published? I thought someone had mention this and before now I've never heard that.
3rd They are getting picky when they need 120 pilots over the next three months? I hadnt heard of SKW telling people without 121/135 experience no based on not having experience. Just as one mention they hire pleanty of guys/girls with just CFI/MEI experience.
Anyone know other wise to any of this?
meritflyer
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1- I dont see that anywhere in the LOU.
2- A internal rec can get you in below mins.
3- You dont need 121/135 experience to fly for SKYW. CFIs get on there every day.
musicmixer
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Although I came from ASA, at my Skywest interview the interviewer was very interested about my time spent at ATP. He said that the 850 thing was in the works (this was in July) and that they were impressed with the philosophy of ATP's flight training and that they like ATP Grads. He seemed excited about the agreement.
meritflyer
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meyers9163
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It may not be stated about the 850/100ME but i'm pretty sure the thought behind it was if hired they would instruct for a little while longer (month or less) which would put them about the 1000/100ME..... Figuring that once they reach 850/100me they would not go the next day for an interview and then even when hired they would not stop CFI'ing right away. But i could be wrong because like I said the people I know at SKW dont get into the "politics" they just fly (old skool guys). Heck i dont even think they know about the "lower" mins for an "internal" recommendation they still the 850/100ME?
meritflyer
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My CFI at ATP got on there with 850/600.
meyers9163
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Got on or interviewed? I mean I'm not saying I know for sure. But I thought I recall when the "deal" came out it was designed in that way. But i mean if your "CFI" got on then who knows....... Your CFI flying the bro?
meritflyer
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Hired on the RJ. He was one of the CFIs at Las Vegas ATP for those who know him.
