Skywest ERJ vs. B-52

Autothrust Blue said:
For what we spend on *wildly gestures* the least it can do is be an equal participant in domestic airspace, so as to avoid whacking the rest of us then and there in suitably-equipped airplanes.
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Do you have any idea how many high performance warplanes and helicopters can’t fly RNAV enroute or perform a GPS approach?

It’s not that the capability doesn’t exist within the equipment, a Chinook can literally fly a Cat II ILS without pilot inputs or land to a point at a 5 foot hover in zero vis, but it’s not certified. That would cost extra money somehow to certify it.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
For what we spend on *wildly gestures* the least it can do is be an equal participant in domestic airspace, so as to avoid whacking the rest of us then and there in suitably-equipped airplanes.
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The biggest friction that I've seen is that one or the other side makes some pretty wild assumptions about the rules the other is playing with.
 
///AMG said:
Ahhh man, the Mk-58 strikes again. Was this ATAC? I know they fly out of Mugu a lot, not sure where they are home based though. Only Hunter operator I'm aware of stateside, though maybe privately owned one? Wouldn't surprise me in that area.
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The N number in the article is registered to Hunter Aviation, operated by ATAC.

Since the southwest was on the way to LAS they would be been on the SLAPP2, and at the altitude they were at they would have been between SLAPP and YAAPY.

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That’s a believable spot for that to happen because that’s right around where SoCal Approach hands you off to Joshua, so maybe they were heads down mid frequency change and didn’t get a traffic call.
 
Lawman said:
Do you have any idea how many high performance warplanes and helicopters can’t fly RNAV enroute or perform a GPS approach?

It’s not that the capability doesn’t exist within the equipment, a Chinook can literally fly a Cat II ILS without pilot inputs or land to a point at a 5 foot hover in zero vis, but it’s not certified. That would cost extra money somehow to certify it.
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Fun fact, I was in initial 121 training before I ever flew a GPS approach, or STAR (hah or even ILS, or at least that had been a looooong time since I'd flown one). We did get really rudimentary RNAV (no vertical guidance) for approaches in 2017'ish in the F/A-18, but very much not the same thing.
 
///AMG said:
Fun fact, I was in initial 121 training before I ever flew a GPS approach, or STAR (hah or even ILS, or at least that had been a looooong time since I'd flown one). We did get really rudimentary RNAV (no vertical guidance) for approaches in 2017'ish in the F/A-18, but very much not the same thing.
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I had an ERJ145 FO ask me what an IRS was.
 
///AMG said:
Fun fact, I was in initial 121 training before I ever flew a GPS approach, or STAR (hah or even ILS, or at least that had been a looooong time since I'd flown one). We did get really rudimentary RNAV (no vertical guidance) for approaches in 2017'ish in the F/A-18, but very much not the same thing.
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We always preferred non-precision approaches, weather allowing, so we could do the usual touchdown aimpoint shift once breaking out of the Wx.
 
ahw01 said:
I had an ERJ145 FO ask me what an IRS was.
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Ironically, all our mil planes have had really good INS/IRS's for a very long time. They're even better now. I have maybe the opposite problem with new students. They think that if they don't get GPS sats, they can't fly. IRS is tight to really good specs. They don't even understand that the INS and the GPS are completely different systems (which of course interchange information while both are working correctly of course).

edit: ahhh I read again, I see what you're saying. Yeah, some planes are just sky dumplings without anything but a 6 pack. Been there.
 
MikeD said:
We always preferred non-precision approaches, weather allowing, so we could do the usual touchdown aimpoint shift once breaking out of the Wx.
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I mean you can adjust aim point on a precision approach too, once out of the weather? Or am I missing your point birthday boy?
 
///AMG said:
Ironically, all our mil planes have had really good INS/IRS's for a very long time. They're even better now. I have maybe the opposite problem with new students. They think that if they don't get GPS sats, they can't fly. IRS is tight to really good specs. They don't even understand that the INS and the GPS are completely different systems (which of course interchange information while both are working correctly of course).

edit: ahhh I read again, I see what you're saying. Yeah, some planes are just sky dumplings without anything but a 6 pack. Been there.
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Yeh I mean flying in a regional jet spoofing is never a problem, apparently…
 
That tape is kinda worthless without any of the ATC transmissions lol.

The Controller called traffic, stopped the SWA at 140, and turned the SWA for the ATAC. SWA didn’t respond to any of the transmissions and then responded to the RA. Not much we can do if the radio isn’t properly working or perhaps not being properly listened to…
 
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