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wouldn't hurt to try. You could also hang out at the airport and see if you could wash planes for aircraft owners. It's a good way to make money and/or flight time

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So what your saying is hang around the airport and take pics of planes for airliners.net and meet aircragt owners and wash their multi million dollar planes? Cool!
 
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wouldn't hurt to try. You could also hang out at the airport and see if you could wash planes for aircraft owners. It's a good way to make money and/or flight time

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So what your saying is hang around the airport and take pics of planes for airliners.net and meet aircragt owners and wash their multi million dollar planes? Cool!

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Any member of JC will tell you the overall theme here is NETWORK. Washing planes over the summer is a great place to start. Surround yourself with pilots and planes and opportunities will present themselves.
 
I will look into it and maybe save the money for more flight instruction. I have 1 hr TT! It would be akward to just get dropped off at the airport to hang out. Maybe I will call airport operations.
 
That is such a crime in the industry. The airlines expect you to work for free and/or pay for your own room during training. This needs to stop. Next they will want us to pay them to work for them. Oh wait, I think someone is doing that already.
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Shuttle America, a small regional out of FWA and they pay for your room, 60 hr guarantee, and per diem. If a small airline can afford I don't see why the bigger regionals can't...

Shuttle America

just my .02 worth.
 
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Shuttle America, a small regional out of FWA and they pay for your room, 60 hr guarantee, and per diem. If a small airline can afford I don't see why the bigger regionals can't...

Shuttle America

just my .02 worth.

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It's because they don't want to. Why offer perks to attract a pilot when all they have to do is dangle a warm seat carrot, regardless of the pay, or lack of it?

Yeah, yeah, yeah........regionals CEO and upper management apologists, flame away.......
 
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Xjet pays per diem only, but supplies the hotel room.

~wheelsup

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Excuse the ignorance, but what does "per diem" mean?
 
Hey Grant another thing you might want to look into........check the local FBO's for line jobs...fueling, washing, maintanence, etc. At my airport, they hire guys ur age and up to work the line...and some of them dont take cash, but instead get credit towards flight training. In other words, they are paid with flight hours instead of cash. Seems to work really well. Try that !!
 
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Shouldn't you'd be at school brian???

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Looks like you should be too.
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I was!

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And so was I. See, there's this class called web design...
 
Regarding the pay/housing issue during training:

At my first airline, they paid us a 65 hr guarantee from our first day on property, as well as a $450 housing allowance. They also paid for our hotel room during simulator training, double occupancy for FOs. At this airline, they paid us a one-time per diem check, as well as double occupancy housing the entire training cycle.

Now I can't really say which was better. According to most, at the first job you could say that they paid us during training, but at $19.55/hr and 65-hr guarantee that didn't go far to get a place in Chicago.

Now with the per diem check, if you lived conservatively in training, you could get by. You'd probably need a bit in the bank to really enjoy yourself.

From these experiences of mine, I don't have a clue how anyone can survive two months of new-hire training without any pay or housing allowance. I'm dumbfounded how anyone could justify it.

I can understand the reasoning behind a company making a decision to do this, however. Wrong or right, I understand it. Airline training costs are extremely high. In the tens of thousands of dollars... manuals, charts, simulator time, and the rest adds up. The company is taking a chance with the airline trainee that they might not finish their training. If they do not, and wash out, then the company eats the cost.

This policy of not paying new-hires needs to change. I think a more acceptable practice would be a training contract. One or two year pro-rated contract saying if you leave early, then you must re-emburse the company the cost of your training. This keeps employees from getting time and bolting in a few months, and gives some insurance to the company so that they can pay the guarantee, per diem, and housing.

Hopefully we'll see a paradigm shift in the near future leaning more towards "taking care of your employees."
 
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Excuse the ignorance, but what does "per diem" mean?

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Per Diem is the peanuts that the company pays you when you are on a trip. It is supposed to cover meals and other incidental charges. This keeps the company from having to reimburse pilots for actual expenses. It usually ranges from 1.35 - 2.00 dollars per hour....I usually average about 500 a month in per diem...

hope that helps
 
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Hopefully we'll see a paradigm shift in the near future leaning more towards "taking care of your employees."


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I think there's a better chance that some unfortunate soul will have a midair collision with a flying purple pig (the kind that oinks).

Personally, if Skywest called me right now I wouldn't even bother to interview. There's just no way I could make it through training with no pay.

I also don't think airline training departments really think in terms of what it costs to train someone. At least not at Eagle. They didn't seem to have any hesitation making my life miserable enough for me to decide to resign, after I had completed and passed sim training. Although, the penny pinchers there sent me a bill today for $68...apparently they "overpaid" me. Jackasses.
 
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Excuse the ignorance, but what does "per diem" mean?

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Per Diem is the peanuts that the company pays you when you are on a trip. It is supposed to cover meals and other incidental charges. This keeps the company from having to reimburse pilots for actual expenses. It usually ranges from 1.35 - 2.00 dollars per hour....I usually average about 500 a month in per diem...

hope that helps

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Thanks. Cheap bastards!(airlines)
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