Skw CRJ Landing incident LAX, plus airport ARFF info

A Life Aloft said:
I thought it was a discussion about a small incident at LAX which also included ARFF just as a side interest since they were also involved and it's an interesting subject as well. I hadn't realize it was really about silly mocking memes having to do with Firefighting at airports or the equipment used. I must have missed something.
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Generation humor?
 
bike21 said:
Awaiting possible knee jerk reaction to the grounding of all CRJ Deuce models. There have been quite a few issues over the years, though we have had a lull in the action until yesterday. I remember explanations varying from aliens to broken Fetzer valves; basically know one could offer solid explanations of several of the incidents as everything checked out after the fact. Wonder what the feds will think of this one.
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Everybody knows that the muffler bearings on those things were never very reliable. Couple that with a under engineered Finnigan pin and well, I have no idea how that deathtrap was certified in the first place.:sarcasm::D
 
Area 5150 said:
Ditto what Mike said. Also, some AARF trucks have some type of hand line, (hose) that they can deploy as well. I know one of our trucks has a 1 3/4 hose line and a 1inch booster hose.
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Most all have a redline. Can be for water or dual agent, or a separate handling for the secondary agent. Many have structural panels and are fully capable of operating like an engine if need be.
 
Thread Creep: UAL/Skywest 5316 was a one-time event with a happy ending. Our ARFF friends are there for us, every day, doing their job.

I, for one, appreciate Mike and his fellow ARFFies keeping us informed about their end of things. It seems like the technological progress in ARFFing has paralleled that in many other areas of aircraft design, construction and safety.

FAA airport matching funds are often spent to improve ARFF trucks and buildings, and FAA requirements keep becoming stronger and stronger in this area. As a former airport board member (among other things), it's a better investment than, say, more ramp tarmac. Even in the boonies, they drill and practice with enviable professionalism for eventual possibilities that, thankfully, seldom happen. Good on!

I've only been chased down the runway by the men in silver suits once. The CA brought us to a safe stop, and the pax cheered. But the Silver Suiters were there if we needed them.

A good thing.
 
bike21 said:
Awaiting possible knee jerk reaction to the grounding of all CRJ Deuce models. There have been quite a few issues over the years, though we have had a lull in the action until yesterday. I remember explanations varying from aliens to broken Fetzer valves; basically know one could offer solid explanations of several of the incidents as everything checked out after the fact. Wonder what the feds will think of this one.
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RESURRECT THE BRO!

(still have my Captain bid in)
 
Cal Goat said:
I wonder, if while they were troubleshooting the problem, someone in the cockpit uttered "Well, at least we'll make money on this leg." ?
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If anything ever happens in a plane I'm flying, some of the most sadistic things mankind will have ever heard will be on that CVR recording...


Of course I'm saying that as an Internet tough guy. In all actuality, it would probably be much different.
 
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B767 said:
If anything ever happens in a plane I'm flying, some of the most sadistic things mankind will have ever heard will be on that CVR recording...


Of course I'm saying that as an Internet tough guy. In all actuality, it would probably be much different.
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"OH JESUS IM SO SORRY FOR MY SINS! FORGIVE ME! ILL NEVER WATCH PORN AGAIN!"
*followed by 2 minutes of uncontrollable sobbing
 
And I forgot to mention - kudos to the crew and job well done. There is an audio clip out there on it already and it was textbook and pro all the way. Not that we expect any different, but the media and the general public can rest easier knowing 'regional' pilots can handle ourselves just fine. Shocker I know!
 
B767 said:
If anything ever happens in a plane I'm flying, some of the most sadistic things mankind will have ever heard will be on that CVR recording...
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At one of these future NJCs, I'll have to show my video of getting shot at with a couple SAMs over Iraq in '03...and how to not sound cool while your life is in danger in an airplane...

Hopefully when feces hits the fan in the future, I'll sound more dignified.
 
Hacker15e said:
At one of these future NJCs, I'll have to show my video of getting shot at with a couple SAMs over Iraq in '03...and how to not sound cool while your life is in danger in an airplane...

Hopefully when feces hits the fan in the future, I'll sound more dignified.
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End of the internet. Huddling in my corner in the fetal position.
 
Hacker15e said:
At one of these future NJCs, I'll have to show my video of getting shot at with a couple SAMs over Iraq in '03...and how to not sound cool while your life is in danger in an airplane...

Hopefully when feces hits the fan in the future, I'll sound more dignified.
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I always sounded cool. But that's only because I'm too stupid to know when to be scared. So truthfully, I don't know which of our situations is worse. :D

And for us, an F-105 guy would be saying "Oh....just a couple of SAMs in this video? That's all? You mean, that's it?"
 
FloridaLarry said:
FAA airport matching funds are often spent to improve ARFF trucks and buildings, and FAA requirements keep becoming stronger and stronger in this area. As a former airport board member (among other things), it's a better investment than, say, more ramp tarmac..
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Still, ARFF is only a requirement at 139 airports with airline service, or similar. For airports which don't legally require it, even if they are busy as heck, it's tough to get them interested in it, all due to the $$$ they see putting out for it, and the little use it ever gets. As a contract ARFF guy as part of the varied fire services my partner and I's company does, I've seen this a few times. And am even crafting a couple of possible new Index A bid proposals which my partner and I don't think we have a great shot at getting due to this. Even so, ARFF is one of those particular areas of fire protection that is more and more going contract, for a wide range of reasons.

MikeD and crew, in action:


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MikeD said:
And for us, an F-105 guy would be saying "Oh....just a couple of SAMs in this video? That's all? You mean, that's it?"
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I often think about how the guys of the WWII or 'Nam generation would shake their head at what complete wusses our generation of combat pilots are by comparison.
 
What options are available to the crew when one gear doesn't extend on a CRJ? Emergency air, mechanical/gravity, hand crank? Seems odd to only have one leg fail to extend. Honest question, I have no experience on Bombadier aircraft, all of the Lears prior to the 45 aren't Bombardier.
 
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