SjS flare up.

BravoHotel

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Granted, my current choice of aerospace vehicle is a Lockheed Martin product, this just gave me that SJS feeling. I'd fly that, I look back at every choice aviation choice I've made bad or good, this makes me find that lost aviation feeling. :biggrin:

 
Hot. Folding wings are going to be interesting. I can see every Tom, Dick, and Harry sitting down while at the gate and then freaking out and running up to tell the pilots, OMG, the wing is broken!
 
Hot. Folding wings are going to be interesting. I can see every Tom, Dick, and Harry sitting down while at the gate and then freaking out and running up to tell the pilots, OMG, the wing is broken!

Tom, Dick and Harry, tunnels from the movie Great Escape! Novel idea, let's use something military aircraft have been using for years to save space on an aircraft carrier and commercialize it!
 
The initial 777 design in the 80's had folding wings because it had 16 feet more wingspan than most terminal configurations could handle and United decided it wanted none o' dat primarily because of the extra weight and well, public relations. They felt that the general public couldn't handle a jet with folding wings.

Funny how, at the time, the competing aircraft was the MD-12X, which looked "muy ridiculo" but then Airbus goes around and builds an A-380.

MD-12X:
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The initial 777 design in the 80's had folding wings because it had 16 feet more wingspan than most terminal configurations could handle and United decided it wanted none o' dat primarily because of the extra weight and well, public relations. They felt that the general public couldn't handle a jet with folding wings.

Funny how, at the time, the competing aircraft was the MD-12X, which looked "muy ridiculo" but then Airbus goes around and builds an A-380.

MD-12X:
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Form follows function or it won't work.
 
Hopefully they'll change the cockpit windows to more of a modern 787/A350 design. i.e. less windows. Versus the current 90's design, with all those windows. Less is more.
 
Hopefully they'll change the cockpit windows to more of a modern 787/A350 design. i.e. less windows. Versus the current 90's design, with all those windows. Less is more.

I don't follow. I like windows, the more I can see the better. In fact I wish my current airplane had more windows.
 
I don't follow. I like windows, the more I can see the better. In fact I wish my current airplane had more windows.

If you look at the trends in newer planes like the C-series, or the 787 or A350. They're putting less cockpit windows in and just making them longer, instead of having many. I like it.

I've seen versions to the 777X with a newer design cockpit windows, similar to the 787, and also with the current windows. I don't know which one will be the final design, however.
 
I wonder what the procedure would be for a wing unlock in flight? Anyone remember the F-4 this happened to?

One of my sim instructors in the F-15E course, a guy named "Hammer" Daniels, survived a crash of an F-4 that had a single wingtip come unlocked. He said it was luck...the other guy died because of the ejection seat sequence delay while the jet was in the uncommanded roll. When he went out, he was facing sky, and when the other guy went out a second later, he was facing the dirt.

Some examples of jets that took off with 'em inadvertently folded.

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They felt that the general public couldn't handle a jet with folding wings.

So sorry to hijack this thread, but I just couldn't resist...

WRT the public accepting the concept of pilotless airliners...

"Of course the public could never handle folding wings and the whole subject is verboten, but I sure love these pilotless airplanes!! Stupid pilots were so smug when directing me to baggage claim. To hell with pilots, every accident in the history of aviation was due to like, ya know, pilot error. Pilots won't be missed. All that said, IM GETTING OFF THIS FLYING DEATH TRAP IF I SEE THE LAST 4 FEET OF WING FOLD UPWARDS FOR SPACE SAVING. THATS HERESY!!"

sarcasm.
 
So sorry to hijack this thread, but I just couldn't resist...

WRT the public accepting the concept of pilotless airliners...

"Of course the public could never handle folding wings and the whole subject is verboten, but I sure love these pilotless airplanes!! Stupid pilots were so smug when directing me to baggage claim. To hell with pilots, every accident in the history of aviation was due to like, ya know, pilot error. Pilots won't be missed. All that said, IM GETTING OFF THIS FLYING DEATH TRAP IF I SEE THE LAST 4 FEET OF WING FOLD UPWARDS FOR SPACE SAVING. THATS HERESY!!"

sarcasm.

You said "hijack" on a aviation forum. The Internet TSA will be along shortly to collect you.
















:sarcasm:
 
Derg showed us
Same design engineer who came up with the anal-entry of the original DC-9 series (albeit cribbed from the 72s) but without the expense of retracting stairs.

So much more convenient for D.B.Cooper.

Did they consider dual fuselage-mounted engines (VC-10 style) Would aid the family design look. Or just put the fourth underneath the tail - more linear thrust!
 
Granted, my current choice of aerospace vehicle is a Lockheed Martin product, this just gave me that SJS feeling. I'd fly that, I look back at every choice aviation choice I've made bad or good, this makes me find that lost aviation feeling. :biggrin:


It's truly a beautiful, graceful wing.

boeing-777x-9.jpg


First flight is supposed to be next year, in 2016, production to begin in 2017 and first delivery by 2020. The 8X is designed to carry 350 pax and have a range of more than 9,300 nautical miles. The 9 x will support 400 pax with a range of more than 8,200 nautical miles. 300 hundred from 6 customers thus far.

The first steel rising at Boeing's $1 billion 777X wing factory
Feb 3, 2015, 1:43pm PST Updated: Feb 4, 2015, 4:13pm PST

Boeing's 1.3-million-square-foot 777X wing plant will dwarf the people working there, as they produce carbon composite spars and skins for the company's next new big aircraft.


boeing-777x-wing-plant-aerial-1*600xx1840-1227-0-1.jpg


In the foreground, you can see where crews have begun erecting steel walls on the west edge of the Boeing 777X site. Other trusses are laid out, positioned for placement by the many cranes on the site. Boeing's large Everett office buildings can be seen in the background.

Construction has started at Boeing's $1 billion 777X wing plant, after months of site preparation and thousands of dump truck trips.

The first steel is tangible evidence of the rapid progress Boeing (NYSE: BA) is making on the Everett building, which will be a cornerstone of the 777X's advanced wing technology.

The building itself will be the largest single manifestation of Washington state's win of the 777X jet assembly. Boeing broke ground on the facility in a ceremony on Oct. 21.

New aerial photos show the first steel frameworks for the walls on the west side of the 1.3-million-square-foot structure, while large yellow cranes prepare to lift other steel truss structures into place.

The images show the vast size of the structure's footprint, dwarfing the Everett site headquarters buildings to the east.

Until recently the wing building site was primarily a sea of mud and dirt, with lines of dump trucks bringing in about 530,000 cubic yards of fill dirt to make the site level. Now that the site is moving into construction mode, the steel and walls will be rising rapidly.

The building will be the largest single structure under construction in Washington state this year. At its peak, the construction will employ 1,200 people, and consume 31,000 tons of steel and 170,000 tons of concrete.

When the new wing building is completed in 2016, workers will start fabricating the central parts of the 777X's new carbon composite wings there.

These wing structures will include skins and spars, primarily laid up by automated carbon tape-laying machines, and then cured in one of the facility's three 120-foot autoclaves. These are giant pressurized ovens that convert the fiber structures into finished parts.

The parts will then be assembled into wings in the adjacent aircraft assembly plant, and integrated into assembly of the 777X, a newer version of Boeing's largest twin-engine jet.

Deciding to build the wing in Everett was a massive about-face for Boeing, which a decade ago decided to let a Japanese contractor build the wings for the 787 Dreamliner.

While the 777X wing is in most ways an upscaled version of the 787 wing, except for the 777X wing's folding wingtips, the company decided that carbon composites was an area where it needed to lead the technology.

COO Dennis Muilenburg addressed this point in response to a question at the Credit Suisse Global Industrials Conference in New York City, Dec. 3.

"The composite wing, we have decided to pull back into Boeing," he said. "We believe complex composites manufacturing is a capability we need to have internally."

boeing-777x-wing-plant-and-main*600xx1745-1163-0-1.jpg


Boeing-777X-Wingspan-thumb-560x203-153768.jpg
 
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It's truly a beautiful, graceful wing.

boeing-777x-9.jpg


First flight is supposed to be next year, in 2016, production to begin in 2017 and first delivery by 2020. The 8X is designed to carry 350 pax and have a range of more than 9,300 nautical miles. The 9 x will support 400 pax with a range of more than 8,200 nautical miles. 300 hundred from 6 customers thus far.

The first steel rising at Boeing's $1 billion 777X wing factory (Video)
Feb 3, 2015, 1:43pm PST Updated: Feb 4, 2015, 4:13pm PST

Boeing's 1.3-million-square-foot 777X wing plant will dwarf the people working there, as they produce carbon composite spars and skins for the company's next new big aircraft.


boeing-777x-wing-plant-aerial-1*600xx1840-1227-0-1.jpg


In the foreground, you can see where crews have begun erecting steel walls on the west edge of the Boeing 777X site. Other trusses are laid out, positioned for placement by the many cranes on the site. Boeing's large Everett office buildings can be seen in the background.

Construction has started at Boeing's $1 billion 777X wing plant, after months of site preparation and thousands of dump truck trips.

The first steel is tangible evidence of the rapid progress Boeing (NYSE: BA) is making on the Everett building, which will be a cornerstone of the 777X's advanced wing technology.

The building itself will be the largest single manifestation of Washington state's win of the 777X jet assembly. Boeing broke ground on the facility in a ceremony on Oct. 21.

New aerial photos show the first steel frameworks for the walls on the west side of the 1.3-million-square-foot structure, while large yellow cranes prepare to lift other steel truss structures into place.

The images show the vast size of the structure's footprint, dwarfing the Everett site headquarters buildings to the east.

Until recently the wing building site was primarily a sea of mud and dirt, with lines of dump trucks bringing in about 530,000 cubic yards of fill dirt to make the site level. Now that the site is moving into construction mode, the steel and walls will be rising rapidly.

The building will be the largest single structure under construction in Washington state this year. At its peak, the construction will employ 1,200 people, and consume 31,000 tons of steel and 170,000 tons of concrete.

When the new wing building is completed in 2016, workers will start fabricating the central parts of the 777X's new carbon composite wings there.

These wing structures will include skins and spars, primarily laid up by automated carbon tape-laying machines, and then cured in one of the facility's three 120-foot autoclaves. These are giant pressurized ovens that convert the fiber structures into finished parts.

The parts will then be assembled into wings in the adjacent aircraft assembly plant, and integrated into assembly of the 777X, a newer version of Boeing's largest twin-engine jet.

Deciding to build the wing in Everett was a massive about-face for Boeing, which a decade ago decided to let a Japanese contractor build the wings for the 787 Dreamliner.

While the 777X wing is in most ways an upscaled version of the 787 wing, except for the 777X wing's folding wingtips, the company decided that carbon composites was an area where it needed to lead the technology.

COO Dennis Muilenburg addressed this point in response to a question at the Credit Suisse Global Industrials Conference in New York City, Dec. 3.

"The composite wing, we have decided to pull back into Boeing," he said. "We believe complex composites manufacturing is a capability we need to have internally."

boeing-777x-wing-plant-and-main*600xx1745-1163-0-1.jpg


Boeing-777X-Wingspan-thumb-560x203-153768.jpg

Will the 777X, be built alongside the 787, at Everett?
 
I wonder, in modern fly-by-wire aircraft, that it would significantly matter. You're going to lose a lot of maneuverability and certainly going to be headed back to the airport for a higher speed approach, but the flight control computer could probably program in some sort of control mix to correct, somewhat.
 
I wonder, in modern fly-by-wire aircraft, that it would significantly matter. You're going to lose a lot of maneuverability and certainly going to be headed back to the airport for a higher speed approach, but the flight control computer could probably program in some sort of control mix to correct, somewhat.
Oh man I hope so. That kind of Star Trek shiz is what I want to see, not the 737 mega-uber-max-neo-nexgen.
 
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