Single Engine Add-on

[Cannon]

only for the checkride as far as I know. When I did my multi add-on, that's how the examiner told me to log it

Good job. You're correct and your examiner was correct.

Often the "performing the duties of pilot in command" line in 14 CFR 61.129(b)(4) is taken to mean that PIC time can be logged, which is incorrect. Of course, any solo time is loggable at PIC, but because of insurance issues, it is very uncommon to find anyone who does not hold a multiengine rating flying a multiengine airplane solo. Also, the time during the practical test, whether the applicant passes or not, can be logged as PIC time.

 

[BillErvin]

I'm prepping for my MEI initial right now so I might be a little wacked out, But I believe this aforementioned endorsement covers the need for a FR or negates it..... something...:insane: You can not treat someone with a Commercial Pilot Certificate doing a class add on as a student pilot, that is why the FAA included this endorsement in the AC.

35. To act as PIC of an aircraft in solo operations when the pilot who does not hold an appropriate category/class rating: § 61.31(d)(3)
I certify that (First name, MI, Last name) has received the training as required by § 61.31(d)(3) to serve as a PIC in a (category and class of aircraft). I have determined that he/she is prepared to serve as PIC in that (make and model of aircraft).
S/S [date] J.J. Jones 987654321CFI Exp. 12-31-00

And, as someone stated, put an expiration date on it, because as written its good forever.

 

[Guy]

unlike Guy's assertion that the pilot is a student pilot.

Amazing. You don't read the things I do write and you imagine things I didn't write.
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[Guy]

I'm prepping for my MEI initial right now so I might be a little wacked out, But I believe this aforementioned endorsement covers the need for a FR or negates it..... something...:insane: You can not treat someone with a Commercial Pilot Certificate doing a class add on as a student pilot, that is why the FAA included this endorsement in the AC.

And, as someone stated, put an expiration date on it, because as written its good forever.

That endorsement comes from Advisory Circular 61-65E, which was written before the most recent change of the regulations.

Here is 14 CFR 61.31(d), as before and after the most recent change:

(d) Aircraft category, class, and type ratings: Limitations on operating an aircraft as the pilot in command. To serve as the pilot in command of an aircraft, a person must -
{New-2009-20 (d)(1) revised August 21, 2009, effective October 20, 2009}
(1) Hold the appropriate category, class, and type rating (if a class or type rating is required) for the aircraft to be flown; or
{Beginning of old text revised August 21, 2009, effective October 20, 2009}
(1) Hold the appropriate category, class, and type rating (if a class rating and type rating are required) for the aircraft to be flown;
{New-2009-20 (d)(2) redesignated and revised August 21, 2009, effective October 20, 2009. Was (d)(3).}
(2) Have received training required by this part that is appropriate to the pilot certification level, aircraft category, class, and type rating (if a class or type rating is required) for the aircraft to be flown, and have received an endorsement for solo flight in that aircraft from an authorized instructor.
{Beginning of old text revised August 21, 2009, effective October 20, 2009}
(2) Have received training required by this part that is appropriate to the aircraft category, class, and type rating (if a class or type rating is required) for the aircraft to be flown, and have received the required endorsements from an instructor who is authorized to provide the required endorsements for solo flight in that aircraft.
{Beginning of old text removed August 21, 2009, effective October 20, 2009}
(d)(2) Be receiving training for the purpose of obtaining an additional pilot certificate and rating that are appropriate to that aircraft, and be under the supervision of an authorized instructor; or

There is no a 14 CFR 61.31(d)(3) in the current regulations. However, the principal part is unchanged and the requirement for the endorsement remains.
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