Should jtrain take recall?

jtrain609 said:
Lloyd, you've changed bro, come back one of these days the way you used to be.
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I have indeed, and lots of people don't like it. Such is life . . .never meant to be offensive. I have no fancy words to call it how I see it, so I just do.

Either way, good luck with whatever you do.
 
mtsu_av8er said:
I have indeed, and lots of people don't like it. Such is life . . .never meant to be offensive. I have no fancy words to call it how I see it, so I just do.

Either way, good luck with whatever you do.
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FWIW, I still love you! :hiya:


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Reminds me of the saying, "what other people think of me is none ofmy business."
 
jtrain609 said:
Quite frankly, what gets lost in the ether here is that most of us, myself included, love flying airplanes.
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Is ExpressJet the only place that flies airplanes?

What I mean is, saying "no" to ExpressJet doesn't mean you're saying "no" to all flying.

Do whatever makes you happy. If you want to keep flying airplanes, you can do that, with or without ExpressJet. Go back to flying freight. Become a career CFI. Find a charter gig. Whatever you feel like. You've got a long time until retirement to work your way in to all sorts of positions away from the airlines.

Or you can be a lawyer. That's cool, too. But only do it if you *want* to be a lawyer. Don't do it because you think being a lawyer is better than working at ExpressJet. Don't think of it as, "Being a lawyer isn't that amazing, but it's better than flying for an airline." Only be a lawyer if you have the same passion for it that you have for flying.
 
I'm riding the furlough coaster myself courtesy of Union Pacific Railroad. I've been recalled 4 different times only to work a couple of weeks and be furloughed soon after.

I'm quite tired of my life being dictated by by my job and a seniority roster.

I'd like to carve my own path and hopefully will someday, just got to figure out what I REALLY want to do also.

I feel your pain man, I really do, WAY to many IF'S, AND'S & BUT'S

It's tough. Best advice I've seen or heard is that XJT isn't the only airline and although it would suck to lose your #, if you miss it that bad you could always make flying a part of your life, somehow.

On the other hand, chances are if you take the recall, your just going to be furloughed again in a few weeks if that long. So no worries there.

I think these companies do their recalls just to see who they can get rid of honestly, trying to trim the fat if you will.
 
My wife is an attorney here in Northern CA for Legal Aid and she says finish law school and work for Legal Aid (they need good lawyers, especially more men). She started out with a law firm and found the legal aid work much more fulfilling (though as you know lower paying). Just don't sell out and become a class action lawyer! My wife also says you can get some if not all of your law school debt forgiven if you work for legal aid for 5 years.

I am a fellow furloughee (Mesaba) and feel very fortunate to have gotten to chase my dream and be an airline pilot for a year. My wife and kids were very supportive and I always knew that they were #1. Fortunately the furlough made it so I did not have to make the decision I was going to have to eventually make and quit. My daughters are 15 and 11 and now it is critical that I am 100% involved in their lives. I probably will not go back if called back, though it is nice to have the option when and if the time comes (for Mesaba, it will most likely be later rather than sooner).

Bypass as long as you can and finish the JD. If you can time it so you can go back and scratch the flying itch when the time is right for you and your family, by all means do it. Best of luck to you and congrats on almost being done with your first year. Seeing my wife go through it and the hell it was gives me great respect for those who can do it, especially those who use the degree to help fellow human beings in need.

Rob
 
jtrain609 said:
Also, was I angry when I was on reserve only to get furloughed? Yes, and you would be too. If you don't think you would be, then you're not paying attention. When you work for a dream for so long, only to get kicked around and then have it taken away, you get angry. If you've been there, you understand. If you haven't, you're blowing hot air. Ask snickersnwa about some of the conversations we had leading up to the furlough.
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Ha! Very true. And, even since then we've had some interesting conversations. Here's what I'm thinking:

From talking with ya, I get the gut feeling that you already know what you want to do - You're just looking for a little support into the idea of going through with it. You're not alone; that's me too.

If I were you, I wouldn't at all consider myself a "hack" or a "quitter" if I went back to flying. When you got furloughed you made the best decision possible in a situation where you "had no choice" about your job. And, I believe you've done a pretty damn stand-up job with it. Be proud of that.

I know many people (as I'm sure you do too) that didn't work as hard after being furloughed; We busted our buts and have been pretty damn productive with our furloughs. You know just as well as I... at times it's been frustrating as hell to get to this point. But, now we have a *choice* in the matter where we didn't before. Either way, choices are a good thing :)

What would I do in *your* shoes? You can always go back to school... but you might not ever have the chance to go back to flying. (At least not having to go back to first year pay). So, I'd either bypass until finishing school, or try to finish up school while flying. If you bypass, I wouldn't be suprised to see Express work its way back up the list before you'd finish school anyway. What would you do then?

Would the second option suck? Sure. But, you're not a *hack* and I believe that you'd still be able to get 'er done while on reserve ;)

If you're spending a lot of time thinking about recall, I think you may have already made up your mind one way or another. See if Em's on board with the idea...

The cube life isn't all it's cracked up to be, and slaving away 40+ hours a week in a cube has it's own share of sacrifices with it.

Ps. If we do make it back to flying... I believe I owe you a crap ton of Banjos! Would it be suspicious if we both had to call in sick because we gorged ourselves on the potroast sandwich!? ;)
 
If anyone really has the same passion for law as we all do for flying airplanes I would hate to meet them. :beer:
 
jrh said:
Is ExpressJet the only place that flies airplanes?

What I mean is, saying "no" to ExpressJet doesn't mean you're saying "no" to all flying.

Do whatever makes you happy. If you want to keep flying airplanes, you can do that, with or without ExpressJet. Go back to flying freight. Become a career CFI. Find a charter gig. Whatever you feel like. You've got a long time until retirement to work your way in to all sorts of positions away from the airlines.

Or you can be a lawyer. That's cool, too. But only do it if you *want* to be a lawyer. Don't do it because you think being a lawyer is better than working at ExpressJet. Don't think of it as, "Being a lawyer isn't that amazing, but it's better than flying for an airline." Only be a lawyer if you have the same passion for it that you have for flying.
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:yeahthat::yeahthat::yeahthat::yeahthat:Couldn't have said it better myself!
 
I would take the recall. Unless someone starts a lawyercareers.com website where you can complain about that. But I understand that you're young and it's hard to figure this stuff out. Just pick a freaking career, g-d it.
 
16,685 posts on an aviation forum, I don't believe you can even fool yourself into thinking you could give up on aviation.

I would think it would be best to pick one or the other and go with a full effort in the chosen field. They are both difficult and expensive fields to get into with a lot of 'dues paying' in the beginning. Suffering through the long hours and low pay of one career or the other is bad enough for a human, but doing both is just being a glutton for punishment.
 
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