Should I file Nasa Form for this?

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C172

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Hi Guys,

I'm not based at ISP but today I flew there and on my way back from the FBO by the tower the ground gave me instructions to go 24C and depart from 24 at the 33L intersection and cross 10x28. I copied everything and I think read it back correctly but wrote down 24E. I've flown there just a couple of times in the past but both time I've got 24E. During taxing student started asking questions and I got distracted and didn't realize until I had to cross the runway 33R. I stopped and asked the ground if I was cleared to cross 33R and they approved it. I departed from 24E but thought I really screwed up and thought the tower might tell me to call them but they didn't. Can I get in trouble for this?
 
There really isnt any harm in filing a nasa form. If you think someone could learn from it, then go ahead and file it.
If ground cleared you to cross 33R, and you didn't get in the way of traffic or anything, I doubt they cared.
More reason to exercise a sterile cockpit!
 
First, a point of clarification. The NASA ASRS is not intended to get people out of trouble. The system is set up to collect safety related data to find problem areas that need correcting. Things like getting confused or distracted and making taxi mistakes are exactly the kind of data that they want to collect. The more information that you can give them about what was going on in the cockpit, and on the radio, and in your mind, that contributed to the mistake are all things that will go towards correcting problems in the aviation system as a whole.

Fill out the report, and give lots and lots of details. You will not get in trouble by putting too much in the report (unless you admit to doing something stupidly illegal).

The nice by-product of filling out an ASRS is that you do get some protection on non-intentional mistakes. The get-out-of-jail-free card is not absolute, nor is it the reason for the system in the first place. The reason is to collect safety data, and the incentive to submit forms is the limited protection that you get.

Whenever you feel like asking the question "should I file", the first thing you should ask is "can someone learn from what I did/what happened to me?". Almost invariably the answer to both questions will be yes.
 
SteveC said:
You will not get in trouble by putting too much in the report (unless you admit to doing something stupidly illegal).
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Now correct me if I am wrong, but I thought two key selling points of filing an ASRS form was that you remained anonymous, and the information you provided (in the form itself) cannot be used against you to bring charges or as evidence.

That being said, I completely agree with Steve. Go ahead and file the ASRS report, not because I think the incident could get you in any trouble, but perhaps this has happened before to other pilots or will happen. If there is a history of it, then they can look at adding more taxi identification markers or making signs more visible
 
If you have to ask should I file a nasa form, then the answer is most definitely yes.
 
AlbertE said:
Now correct me if I am wrong, but I thought two key selling points of filing an ASRS form was that you remained anonymous, and the information you provided (in the form itself) cannot be used against you to bring charges or as evidence.
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I'll correct you because you're wrong ;) . The two key selling points are anonymity and that the information you provide can't be used as a basis for bringing certificte action "except information concerning criminal offenses or accidents...".

Read all about it. See paragraphs 5 and 7:
http://asrs.arc.nasa.gov/overview/immunity.html
 
C172 said:
Hi Guys,

I'm not based at ISP but today I flew there and on my way back from the FBO by the tower the ground gave me instructions to go 24C and depart from 24 at the 33L intersection and cross 10x28. I copied everything and I think read it back correctly but wrote down 24E. I've flown there just a couple of times in the past but both time I've got 24E. During taxing student started asking questions and I got distracted and didn't realize until I had to cross the runway 33R. I stopped and asked the ground if I was cleared to cross 33R and they approved it. I departed from 24E but thought I really screwed up and thought the tower might tell me to call them but they didn't. Can I get in trouble for this?
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Were you cleared to taxi onto 33L?

looking at the ISP airport diagram i'm a little confused by your description namely intersection via 24C?......instruction were to taxi to 24/33L intersection via C, B-3 and 33L with clearance to cross 10/28? (taxi via charlie only gets you to bravo not the runway intersection).

The route you took was E across 33L and then you realized the mistake holding at 33R? So you may have crossed 33L without a clearance usless maybe you were cleared to taxi on it.

Either way I would file a report as there is a lot to be learned from it.
 
About the only time you shouldn't be filing a NASA if you are asking the question is if the story goes something like this: "While the Mobsters were dumping the body I busted my altitude assignment by 1000 ft."
 
jhugz said:
If you have to ask should I file a nasa form, then the answer is most definitely yes.
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msmspilot said:
:yeahthat::yeahthat::yeahthat::yeahthat::yeahthat::yeahthat:

And always, :yeahthat:
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poser765 said:
I didn't even read your situation before I made up my mind. As jhugz said, if you have to ask, fill one out.
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I read the title and I was ready to reply. :) There is no logical reason not to file a NASA form, there is only a laziness reason. Yes, fear may be a feeling felt, but fear is because of laziness, laziness to do an hour of research.

A simple google of 'NASA form' gives the Aviation Safety Reporting System (ASRS) website as the first hit. ASRS started NASA forms (fact check anyone?). This site provides all the information needed on NASA forms.

Anyways, C172, I'm not picking on you. I've simply answered this question more times than I care to remember in a mere two years being a CFI. In college a teacher told of a buddy who would file a NASA form for every flight because he flew right next to airspace he worried he might bust. The guy had copies, would land and file.

The above example is, of course, an extreme. However, I think every pilot should read the ASRS Program Overview (pdf of powerpoint slides) or browse the ASRS website to learn about ASRS and the NASA form. I also think no pilot flight bag should be without at least one NASA form. In other words, they are there to help us and their information helps the pilot community as a whole.

If I may ramble a moment longer..As pilots it is imperative that we have backups in flight to keep us safe. This can be especially true in IFR conditions, cold weather, and no de-icing equipment. A flight that, with proper research and preparation, can often be safely, legally, accomplished. One step in my preparation is to come up with backups, or people/resources that I can use before & during the flight to improve my SA. I see a NASA form as a backup, and in the case of a possible FAR violation, imperative.


MidlifeFlyer said:
Read all (edited for emphasis)
http://asrs.arc.nasa.gov/overview/
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Mark, I took the liberty of editing the URL. It will now direct you to a form of navigation not usually easy to located or blocked from users. I like it as they act just like files and folders used on windows since I was a kid. Anything with '-' in the 'size' column acts like folders in windows. Anything with a number for a size is some kind of file. Just like files in windows, they can be opened for viewing or downloaded.

I think with my expansion of what 'all' includes, this is wonderful advice. Read up, knowledge is power.
 
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