Shorts 360 Cargo First Officer (500TT multiple bases)

ACC is also hiring direct entry captains for that class. 135.243(c) minimums.

I've been here a few months and would be happy to answer questions.
 
cjkelly42 said:
ACC is also hiring direct entry captains for that class. 135.243(c) minimums.

I've been here a few months and would be happy to answer questions.
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I'm curious about your bases and how many days a week you work. Also how hard it is to get vacation time and the maintenance on the planes. It looks like a really interesting outfit as I understand it's a lot of hand flying and the Short's aren't the best equipped. Do they base you out of Louisville and Columbia or are you at the outbases?
 
jspeed87 said:
Nice.. but nothing in the NE or NYC area.
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Have you tried Wiggins? I was thinking for their EMB-110 and maybe some of their BE99 routes they might want an FO to help with the loading and unloading of the plane and then to hire on when they get 1200 hours as that's somewhat common in the freight world.

http://wiggins-air.com/careers.html

How much flight time do you have? I know you might be able to get on doing some marine mammal survey flights with 500+TT in central NJ if that's something you're interested in.

I know Ameriflight does some runs out of Buffalo in the EMB-120 and like to have FOs for their routes. I'm not sure what other ones they do in the NE, but they might be worth looking into.
 
srn121 said:
Have you tried Wiggins? I was thinking for their EMB-110 and maybe some of their BE99 routes they might want an FO to help with the loading and unloading of the plane and then to hire on when they get 1200 hours as that's somewhat common in the freight world.

http://wiggins-air.com/careers.html

How much flight time do you have? I know you might be able to get on doing some marine mammal survey flights with 500+TT in central NJ if that's something you're interested in.

I know Ameriflight does some runs out of Buffalo in the EMB-120 and like to have FOs for their routes. I'm not sure what other ones they do in the NE, but they might be worth looking into.
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For what it's worth, Ameriflight and Wiggins are the same company now. Didn't know AMF moved some 120's up to BUF, must be a new thing
 
srn121 said:
I'm curious about your bases and how many days a week you work. Also how hard it is to get vacation time and the maintenance on the planes. It looks like a really interesting outfit as I understand it's a lot of hand flying and the Short's aren't the best equipped. Do they base you out of Louisville and Columbia or are you at the outbases?
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We're based at the outstation. Normal schedule for UPS stuff is Monday night through Saturday morning. DHL is slightly offset. They spend weekends in the hub and start Sunday night by flying to the outstation. Essentially, in the CONUS, it breaks down to 5/2 like a normal work week. I'm less familiar with the ops in Puerto Rico, but unless we're covering for people, it seems like most of the stuff is early AM flying.

You get one week's vacation your first year. You request time off and it is approved or denied based on coverage and availability. You won't get single days off because it's ruinously expensive to move a floater pilot to cover for only one night.

Our maintenance is great. First off, the Shorts is a sound airframe. Most of the MELs I've seen are related to the older avionics - and even those are cleared quickly. The company owns the engine and avionics shop, as well as most of the spare parts in existence for the Shorts.

You would be correct about the flying. It is mostly /A (HSI, RMI, DME). A few planes are approved for enroute /G in the op-spec. I have heard rumors of an autopilot in one of our planes in San Juan, but otherwise it's all hand flying. The Shorts is transport category so it does require two crewmembers. 2020, mandated ADS-B, and all that jazz are around the corner so we'll see what happens on that front.

Of course, the flying is just the flying. The people are what really make or break a company, and we've got great people from the top to the bottom. As far as 135 night freight goes, you'd be hard pressed to find a better place.
 
cjkelly42 said:
We're based at the outstation. Normal schedule for UPS stuff is Monday night through Saturday morning. DHL is slightly offset. They spend weekends in the hub and start Sunday night by flying to the outstation. Essentially, in the CONUS, it breaks down to 5/2 like a normal work week. I'm less familiar with the ops in Puerto Rico, but unless we're covering for people, it seems like most of the stuff is early AM flying.
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That's good. The information I had found was for quite a few years ago and it seems like everything's changed for the better. Honestly with the right route I'd have to strongly consider here.

How's the climb performance on the Shorts? I had seen a 1000 feet per minute, but I imagine when you're not totally loaded down it could actually be pretty decent.
 
BCTAv8r said:
Thanks for posting. Do you know if there's any flexibility on the 500TT?
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I have no idea as I don't work there and I doubt anyone on this forum will know either. Sometimes you just have to chance it and apply, but every now and then on this site you can get a chief pilot or someone in management to appear and clarify things.
 
srn121 said:
I have no idea as I don't work there and I doubt anyone on this forum will know either. Sometimes you just have to chance it and apply, but every now and then on this site you can get a chief pilot or someone in management to appear and clarify things.
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Thanks. I don't have a membership to the job site so was wondering if it was even worth paying to apply.
 
BCTAv8r said:
Thanks. I don't have a membership to the job site so was wondering if it was even worth paying to apply.
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You could apply through the website which isn't ideal, but neither is climbto350.com. Cjkelly might have an email he'd be willing to share if you were reasonably close to 500. Also I think I was googling yesterday and found the chief pilot or HRs email address. I'm not sure if its the same, but with a little work you should be able to find it again.
 
BCTAv8r said:
Thanks for posting. Do you know if there's any flexibility on the 500TT?
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Yes there is. Send me a PM if you're interested, and I'll get you going in the right direction.

srn121 said:
That's good. The information I had found was for quite a few years ago and it seems like everything's changed for the better. Honestly with the right route I'd have to strongly consider here.

How's the climb performance on the Shorts? I had seen a 1000 feet per minute, but I imagine when you're not totally loaded down it could actually be pretty decent.
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I actually fly one short leg empty everyday. You can see above 2000 fpm if you're empty. More if you're in the -300 with the 67R engines. Loaded down, it's more like 1500 fpm initial with a 500 fpm climb to cruise.
 
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cjkelly42 said:
Yes there is. Send me a PM if you're interested, and I'll get you going in the right direction.



I actually fly one short leg empty everyday. You can see above 2000 fpm if you're empty. More if you're in the -300 with the 67R engines. Loaded down, it's more like 1500 fpm initial with a 500 fpm climb to cruise.
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How many hours a month do you pull? Pay?
 
tcco94 said:
How many hours a month do you pull? Pay?
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Hours vary heavily by base. Most of the runs are between 40-75. Pay for captains is roughly 47k salary and 13k per diem. Adds up to 60k. Extra pay (~3k a year) if you have a run where you load freight.

dhood84 said:
Just remember Chris.....boxes don't bitch!

Derek
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You're absolutely right DJ. The people that audit the boxes can be a different story ;)
 
cjkelly42 said:
I actually fly one short leg empty everyday. You can see above 2000 fpm if you're empty. More if you're in the -300 with the 67R engines. Loaded down, it's more like 1500 fpm initial with a 500 fpm climb to cruise.
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It seems like a cool company. It'd be perfect if you guys had Louisville as a base and that Harrisburg run has to be the quickest way to 1000 twin turbine time around for low time pilots. For some reason I think I'd really love to fly the Shorts and think I'd prefer that to a 1900, Metroliner or a 110.
 
srn121 said:
It seems like a cool company. It'd be perfect if you guys had Louisville as a base and that Harrisburg run has to be the quickest way to 1000 twin turbine time around for low time pilots. For some reason I think I'd really love to fly the Shorts and think I'd prefer that to a 1900, Metroliner or a 110.
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The UPS runs into SDF are pretty close to Harrisburg flight times, but that's with Harrisburg having a 2 week on/1 week off schedule. The other DHL base in IAH has 2/1 as well.

I love the Shorts. Great turbine airplane to learn on. We're a lot heavier (26453 MTOW) than the 1900, Metro, or 110. We are also a lot more susceptible to puns from ATC.

"Traffic, two o'clock, eight miles, a pair of Shorts on the downwind for 35R."

:rolleyes:
 
cjkelly42 said:
The UPS runs into SDF are pretty close to Harrisburg flight times, but that's with Harrisburg having a 2 week on/1 week off schedule. The other DHL base in IAH has 2/1 as well.

I love the Shorts. Great turbine airplane to learn on. We're a lot heavier (26453 MTOW) than the 1900, Metro, or 110. We are also a lot more susceptible to puns from ATC.

"Traffic, two o'clock, eight miles, a pair of Shorts on the downwind for 35R."

:rolleyes:
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Honestly a 2 and 1 sounds awesome and would be exactly what I would want. I put in a resume a few days ago, but just took an offer for a survey job and will likely stay there if the position becomes full-time. I'm too much of a night owl anyway so it sounds like freight my be the next stop in my career. I'm really surprised that I only heard about you guys within the last week

Are there any runs that are unpopular with pilots? Are the DHL routes preferred to the UPS ones?
 
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