First my direct knowledge of last years verbal exchange between Shamrock and ATC is limited to the multitude of youtubes reflecting the communications.
We all know that aircrews exercise extreme caution when wx. is present. And it is a fact that 95% of the time, their deviations will be accommodated. This instance seems to legitimately be within the remaining five percent. With weather, the pilots must exercise expertise and judgment for avoidance but the workload and demands upon controllers increase immensely. Shamrock's transmissions seem to indicate his concerns stopped at the cockpit windshield.
The NY metro area, with JFK, LGA and EWR in such close proximity, it is probably the heaviest concentration of a/c for any specified area. Hence enters criteria such as minimal size sectorization, ie JFK adjacent to LGA, causing limited freedom controllers have for deviations, that the aviation community is apparently not aware of.
I would think the JFK controller had legitimate limitations on the conduct of flight within his sector. And since the previous six a/c deviated with negative complaints while accounting for a safe and orderly flow of traffic, one can only understand his frustration over Shamrock disrupting the departure flow and possibly causing adjacent sector penetration and safety issues.
You can easily see the frustration of the controller that Shamrock 104 seems to be intent on promoting until he gets his request.
The lack of awareness and concern for the ATC system and controllers is unfortunate and embarrassing.
By vectoring what essentially was a 360, the intent was to place Shamrock behind the orderly flow of deviations and then grant what could be accommodated whereby Shamrock would not pose a traffic issue. Apparently Shamrock had difficulty understanding the controller's situation and his concerns seemed to be solely obtaining his requested deviation and route. Had he felt strongly enough regarding his request/demand, he could always have declared an emergency, advised intent and maintained his authority to navigate at will.
Last, Shamrock's "boss" most certainly has the number to JFK departures. Lord, a noninvolved party as myself can access it on the computer. And then demanding an ID.
Huh? Now I ask you, how many times have controllers asked pilots for their operations number and their personal ID. However Shamrock persisted on numerous occasions, blocking the frequency with his repetitive unnecessary transmission over the phone # and "ID." Continuing to ask, when he knows it isn't forthcoming, seemingly to agitate the controller. And then other parts of the self serving aviation community making their unauthorized transmissions advising Shamrock who to complain to; indicating a terrible relationship and wanting respect between the crews and air traffic.
To me, Shamrock's adolescent attitude towards the controller is the main issue behind this conflict. Incidentally, the Marine Corps has a saying, "There is always that 10 %."
We all know that aircrews exercise extreme caution when wx. is present. And it is a fact that 95% of the time, their deviations will be accommodated. This instance seems to legitimately be within the remaining five percent. With weather, the pilots must exercise expertise and judgment for avoidance but the workload and demands upon controllers increase immensely. Shamrock's transmissions seem to indicate his concerns stopped at the cockpit windshield.
The NY metro area, with JFK, LGA and EWR in such close proximity, it is probably the heaviest concentration of a/c for any specified area. Hence enters criteria such as minimal size sectorization, ie JFK adjacent to LGA, causing limited freedom controllers have for deviations, that the aviation community is apparently not aware of.
I would think the JFK controller had legitimate limitations on the conduct of flight within his sector. And since the previous six a/c deviated with negative complaints while accounting for a safe and orderly flow of traffic, one can only understand his frustration over Shamrock disrupting the departure flow and possibly causing adjacent sector penetration and safety issues.
You can easily see the frustration of the controller that Shamrock 104 seems to be intent on promoting until he gets his request.
The lack of awareness and concern for the ATC system and controllers is unfortunate and embarrassing.
By vectoring what essentially was a 360, the intent was to place Shamrock behind the orderly flow of deviations and then grant what could be accommodated whereby Shamrock would not pose a traffic issue. Apparently Shamrock had difficulty understanding the controller's situation and his concerns seemed to be solely obtaining his requested deviation and route. Had he felt strongly enough regarding his request/demand, he could always have declared an emergency, advised intent and maintained his authority to navigate at will.
Last, Shamrock's "boss" most certainly has the number to JFK departures. Lord, a noninvolved party as myself can access it on the computer. And then demanding an ID.
Huh? Now I ask you, how many times have controllers asked pilots for their operations number and their personal ID. However Shamrock persisted on numerous occasions, blocking the frequency with his repetitive unnecessary transmission over the phone # and "ID." Continuing to ask, when he knows it isn't forthcoming, seemingly to agitate the controller. And then other parts of the self serving aviation community making their unauthorized transmissions advising Shamrock who to complain to; indicating a terrible relationship and wanting respect between the crews and air traffic.
To me, Shamrock's adolescent attitude towards the controller is the main issue behind this conflict. Incidentally, the Marine Corps has a saying, "There is always that 10 %."
