Sent my first student to check...Not so good!

fish314

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I sent my first student to his instrument check today (military UPT program, instrument check in the T-37). On his end of block sortie he did a few things that were hook-able, but I thought I could sternly de-brief him and he'd be fine...Well, he didn't make the same mistake twice, he found whole new ways. Oh well.
 
fish314 said:
I sent my first student to his instrument check today (military UPT program, instrument check in the T-37). On his end of block sortie he did a few things that were hook-able, but I thought I could sternly de-brief him and he'd be fine...Well, he didn't make the same mistake twice, he found whole new ways. Oh well.

It's like he's trying to speak to me, but I just don't understand what he's saying...
:D

Really I get it... I just had to use a random Finding Nemo reference...:)

You can lead a horse to water... but sometimes they drown.
 
Grabo172 said:
It's like he's trying to speak to me, but I just don't understand what he's saying...
:D

Really I get it... I just had to use a random Finding Nemo reference...:)

You can lead a horse to water... but sometimes they drown.

YES!!! finding nemo! i just watched that last night.

listen, you're really cute, but....
 
No, he is a tanker pilot who just went back to teach AF undergraduate pilot training (UPT) students in their initial training aircraft, the T-37.

Translating AF and Fish-speak into english...get comfy this may be a while...<inhale>

UPT is broken up into phases or blocks. First you have the "contact" phase which is composed of a number of sorties (flights) strictly VFR flying and you learn basic VFR flying and aerobatic maneuvers such as loops, aileron rolls, spins, cuban 8s, etc. It has two checkrides, one happens in the middle of the block (mid-phase check) and then the final (final contact) check at the end of the block. Then you have the "instrument" phase, a block of rides where, you guessed it, you fly instrument sorties and it culminates in an instrument checkride. Then you have "formation" phase where you learn basic formation flying skills and a formation checkride. There are also some cross countries and low-level sorties mixed into these. Each flight has proficiency standards which if you dont meet you "hook," or fail, the ride. If it is the last flight of the block (before the checkride) you hook then you have to repeat the sortie. If it is the checkride, you have one mulligan (in the entire T-37 phase!) to redo it. If you hook again you fly an elimination checkride that you must pass to remain in pilot training. This is all the first half of UPT and results in about 100 flying hours in the mighty tweet. Depending on how you progress there you can choose (or if you didn't do so well you are volun-told) your follow on training aircraft. You can go fighters, bombers, heavies, or helos and that is where the training becomes more mission specific and way too complicated to explain. <exhale>

So basically, what Fish said was his student flew the last flight of the instrument block of flights making some mistakes, but he was allowed to go to the instrument checkride, which he then screwed up but for different mistakes.

Clear as mud? Excellent.
 
Hmm, I had a hard enough time teaching instrument students in piston singles sometimes. I bet it's wild doing it in a jet!

frog_flyer said:
i hope my vision doesnt worsen so i can have a shot at doin all thattttt

With 7500 hours of PC flight sim time, I'm surprised you can see at all. :cwm27:
 
EatSleepFly said:
Hmm, I had a hard enough time teaching instrument students in piston singles sometimes. I bet it's wild doing it in a jet!

In a way it's all the same. It wasn't easy teaching the maneuvers in a piston single for someone trying to get a commercial single engine add on to somebody who learned in a jet...not that I'm gonna name any names...Fish... :D Of course, I couldn't do it worth a damn at first either in a 172 when I did my add on...
 
I leave the thread for a couple of hours and my friends come out of the woodwork to take my name in vain...sheesh! Actually teaching in a jet is no different than teaching in a 172. The real difference is in the quality of the instruments. Flying instruments (and teaching) in the KC-135 was easy b/c the instruments were awesome. Flying the T-37 with its 1950's technology is quite a bit more difficult. Although instruments are difficult for everyone at first.
 
fish314 said:
I leave the thread for a couple of hours and my friends come out of the woodwork to take my name in vain...sheesh! Actually teaching in a jet is no different than teaching in a 172. The real difference is in the quality of the instruments. Flying instruments (and teaching) in the KC-135 was easy b/c the instruments were awesome. Flying the T-37 with its 1950's technology is quite a bit more difficult. Although instruments are difficult for everyone at first.


So with that theory - teaching in the 172 would be a piece of cake! :D Have you seen the avionics in GA airplanes lately??? GPS's, autopilots, EFIS, moving maps....blah - how are these kids gonna' learn how to fly instruments with all of this stuff?

Jason
 
frog_flyer said:
i hope my vision doesnt worsen so i can have a shot at doin all thattttt

I still have the vision problem but it has gotten much better. I was skeptical when I bought the "Vision for Life" program but over the past month I have improved from 20/100 to 20/70. If I keep on doing it, I'll hopefully get to 20/20.
 
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