Seniority List Totals?

Seggy said:
As it is for United. Isn't LAX also junior for Alaska?

Also Alaska, Delta, and United have far superior contracts that SWA.
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Are new-hires going to LAX at United. Last I heard was it was all EWR. DEN? Fuggggetttboutit.

I'd go to Alaska in a heart beat but that's probably the toughest nut to crack of them all!
 
USN88 said:
Sure I am! I'll I'm saying is that for the most part the western part of the country is junior at SWA. That's huge for me because I have zero desire to live anywhere east of Colorado. United has bases in LA and SFO but when's the last time a new hire was awarded either of those? However, SFO had a bunch of 737 vacancies I heard. I'm sure new hires in LA or SFO will be commonplace at the majors soon enough, and that'll be great!

I think it's Kind of strange how people seem to get all up in arms when someone would rather go to Southwest or Alaska over Delta, United or AA. Everyone has different desires for their career and QOL has a different meaning to everyone. I think I'd truly happy spending a career at Southwest, and it's been a goal for sometime-- it may never pan out or I may get there and hate it. Who knows.
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If someone really wants to go to SWA, more power to them. I just get the feeling that you want to based on a lack of knowledge and having tunnel vision on one specific item.
 
ZapBrannigan said:
That's assuming they don't raise the retirement age to 67 too. That will place the left seat completely out of reach for guys like me who started in our forties.
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I disagree with you here.

If the retirement age went from 65 to 67:

- Some portion of pilots have already retired by their own volition before 65; the age change would be irrelevant for this percentage.
- Some portion of pilots have already retired for medical reasons by 65; the age change would be irrelevant for this percentage.
- Some portion of pilots would have a medical issue arise between 65 and 67; for whatever amount of time they are not flying, the age change would be irrelevant for this percentage.
- Some would simply still choose to retire at 65; the age change would not be relevant to them either.

I think increasing it to 67 would have the effect of a 12 month band-aid on any shortage that would be purportedly happening at that time. Hardly noticeable.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
If someone really wants to go to SWA, more power to them. I just get the feeling that you want to based on a lack of knowledge and having tunnel vision on one specific item.
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I thougt I laid out my reasons pretty well. Obviously I don't know everything there is to know about Southwest. How could I?
 
Seggy said:
Nothing wrong with EWR. You also heard wrong. New hires are going to SFO, LAX, IAH, and EWR.
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Nothing wrong with EWR at all. Remember when I PMed you about your classmate and fellow colganite JJ in my jump? She was mentioning how, after only 15 months with United, she could bid EWR 757 (sorry I don't know how you guys code it) and be bidding 55% on it...or something like that. Flew with a captain who recently got hired at your shop who has a neighbor that is A320 in EWR and was bidding something like 60% after 13 months. Could be wrong base, and slightly wrong percentage, but it was something close to that. And as @Derg said in another post, Southernjets junior captain is a 2007 hire.

Again, everyone has their own reasons for wanting what they want. I do find myself agreeing with @ATN_Pilot on this one though. What is going on in the world?! I've been silently agreeing with Todd and Mark more and more recently. Oh how I hate to admit it...
 
ATN_Pilot said:
If someone really wants to go to SWA, more power to them. I just get the feeling that you want to based on a lack of knowledge and having tunnel vision on one specific item.
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And do you honestly believe that people want to go to a major for anything other than widebody flying and a quicker upgrade? That's about the only reason that I've heard from guys I've flown with.
 
USN88 said:
I thougt I laid out my reasons pretty well. Obviously I don't know everything there is to know about Southwest. How could I?
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You listed a bunch of reasons that people have pretty thoroughly debunked is my point. West coast bases are pretty widely available at the legacies. High days off are pretty widely available at the legacies. High credit hour months are pretty widely available at the legacies. Etc.

The SWA contract, on everything except rates of pay and scope, is really pretty awful. From big things like not having any reserve work rules, to minor things that just piss you off like having to pay for your own employee parking, it's just not good. You don't think these things are a big deal right now because you're 26 and haven't experienced what year after year of reserve feels like, but you will. And then it will be too late and you'll have those golden handcuffs, and you'll just be bitter like everyone on the SWAPA forum.
 
Seggy said:
Seriously, pay for parking at base?
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Yep. I think it's about $320 in Atlanta. Never had to do that before. And I worked for Pinch-a-nickel! :rolleyes:

Other gems are being required to sit on the jumpseat when you're on a deadhead if the flight is full, getting one day off a week while in training, and no ability to drop trips unless someone else is willing to take it from you.

Also, I'm not impressed with SWAs pay compared with Delta/United.
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Oh, I agree, it's not impressive. It's just not sub-par like most parts of the contract. It's just average nowadays.
 
USN88 said:
And do you honestly believe that people want to go to a major for anything other than widebody flying and a quicker upgrade? That's about the only reason that I've heard from guys I've flown with.
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Not harassing you, as I'm sure that's what you have heard.

I'm only a year older than you. My desires for a legacy are pay, work rules, and bases. Not necessarily in that order. Wide body flying? Sure, I'd like to have the ABILITY to bid that should I choose. But where I am at in life today, I don't think I would want to bid that until my kids (2, 10 months, #3 due end of March) are out of the house. So that's at least 18 years down the road. The pay and work rules trump the wide body flying. It would be nice to have the ability to bid wide body though. Certainly not my only reason to go to a legacy.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Yep. I think it's about $320 in Atlanta.
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That actually adds up.

If someone started in OAK at age 30 and it was $320 a month and they retired at 65, they would have paid over $11,000 to park at their own place of employment by retirement, in 2014 dollars that is.
 
B767 said:
Not harassing you, as I'm sure that's what you have heard.

I'm only a year older than you. My desires for a legacy are pay, work rules, and bases. Not necessarily in that order. Wide body flying? Sure, I'd like to have the ABILITY to bid that should I choose. But where I am at in life today, I don't think I would want to bid that until my kids (2, 10 months, #3 due end of March) are out of the house. So that's at least 18 years down the road. The pay and work rules trump the wide body flying. It would be nice to have the ability to bid wide body though. Certainly not my only reason to go to a legacy.
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You're not coming off as harassing, but if I come off as having tunnel vision I don't know how those reasons I mentioned above wouldn't? Your reasons are similiar to mine... good thing we want to go to different airlineas, lol. :-p

I also really want to live in Colorado. I'd like to drive to work someday as well, so that's also a huge plus for me. United would be great but Denver is senior and shrinking.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Yep. I think it's about $320 in Atlanta. Never had to do that before. And I worked for Pinch-a-nickel! :rolleyes:

Other gems are being required to sit on the jumpseat when you're on a deadhead if the flight is full, getting one day off a week while in training, and no ability to drop trips unless someone else is willing to take it from you.



Oh, I agree, it's not impressive. It's just not sub-par like most parts of the contract. It's just average nowadays.
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Isn't that for out of base parking? However, you are right about that being a bit ridiculous.
 
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