Senate Passes FAA Reauthorization Bill, 800 hr rule included

Re: Senate Passes FAA Reauthorization Bill, 800 hr rule incl

Does the 800 hour rule have a "grandfather" clause. Not that it would matter too much now, I doubt anyone not on furlough anywhere has less than 800 hours? How about the snap back to 1500? The 1500 might get some people before the year is up, especially those just going or coming off of furlough??
 
Re: Senate Passes FAA Reauthorization Bill, 800 hr rule incl

Does the 800 hour rule have a "grandfather" clause. Not that it would matter too much now, I doubt anyone not on furlough anywhere has less than 800 hours? How about the snap back to 1500? The 1500 might get some people before the year is up, especially those just going or coming off of furlough??

I dunno. But the rule doesn't take effect until the end of next year, regardless.

I'd imagine that this would pertain to hiring.

I haven't read the final language. It pertains to the pilots 'becoming co-pilots' so I'd imagine that minimum hiring requirements would be the case.

800 hours is arbitrary as a time benchmark. 1500 hours sticks for Captains because of the ATP requirement, which is a clear and unwaiverable point.

I'd imagine that airlines won't like this at all. I suppose that a case-by-case waiver for pilots already on property, even furlough, could be negotiated.

Beyond that, I dunno. That transition is a long way away. I'd imagine that most airlines with pilots below the 800 mark will recall before the snapback.
 
Re: Senate Passes FAA Reauthorization Bill, 800 hr rule incl

Far more important, I think, is the requirement for new rest requirements. Is that included in the bill?
 
Re: Senate Passes FAA Reauthorization Bill, 800 hr rule incl

A whole 800 hours, nice.
 
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The thing that I find humorus about the 800hour rule is when, if ever, will the hiring bar be set as low as 800 hours by an airline again.
 
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Great Lakes were accepting resumes at 750 a couple of months back.

Fortunately, it will screw Gulfstream's little scam.

The thing that I find humorus about the 800hour rule is when, if ever, will the hiring bar be set as low as 800 hours by an airline again.
 
Re: Senate Passes FAA Reauthorization Bill, 800 hr rule incl

The thing that I find humorus about the 800hour rule is when, if ever, will the hiring bar be set as low as 800 hours by an airline again.

I think that once management saw that door open they would continue to use it rather than raise pay.

Good job Charlie for helping to weld it shut.
 
Re: Senate Passes FAA Reauthorization Bill, 800 hr rule incl

I think that once management saw that door open they would continue to use it rather than raise pay.

Good job Charlie for helping to weld it shut.


No prob.

Congratulations go to those here, elsewhere, and industry wide that stepped up to speak out.

Otherwise I'm just another crackpot on the internet.

Jonathan Ornstein once said that "As long as there are pilot resumes on my desk, I'm paying them too much."

Well, here's to a few less resumes for shmucks like that.
 
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Great Lakes were accepting resumes at 750 a couple of months back.

Fortunately, it will screw Gulfstream's little scam.

They could replace it with one that operates on a 135 certificate, you can operate a Beech 1900 with passengers on one.
 
Re: Senate Passes FAA Reauthorization Bill, 800 hr rule incl

Far more important, I think, is the requirement for new rest requirements. Is that included in the bill?


I do believe so. I can't find the latest, greatest, bill language- it's a little out of date, here:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-915&tab=summary


.. but in this article, pasted below, it says there is. There were Senate bills similar to HR 3371 in the works as well that may have been folding in as amendments. When I can find finalized language, I'll link it somehow.

http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?contentBlockId=660eb87b-b616-44f1-9c4f-3f4b3ee1b32b

Full Senate Debate Can Begin, Members Can Offer Amendments

Senator Bob Corker (R-TN) (pictured, right) has lifted his hold on the FAA reauthorization bill, which has been bottled up in the Senate because of language in the House version of the bill that Corker and Senator Lamar Alexander (R-TN) say would be harmful to Memphis-Based FedEx.
The Memphis Commercial Appeal reports that the move was confirmed by Corker's press secretary, Laura Herzog. Corker's staff had met throughout the day with families of those who died when Colgan Air Flight 3407 went down in Buffalo in February of 2008.
Corker and Alexander had objected to the bill because, in the version passed by the House, it restricts coverage under the Federal Railway Act only to employees requiring FAA certification. Currently, FedEx employees are covered by the Railway act, and the reauthorization as it passed the House last year would end that coverage. UPS, which is represented by the Teamsters, favors the House version of the bill. The Buffalo News reports that, while the Senate version does not include that specific provision, Corker was concerned that it could be added by amendment, or in a conference committee. Senator Alexander had vowed to use "any legislative means available", including a filibuster, to be sure the bill did not pass with changes to the Railway Act. If the house version is passed, local FedEx drivers would be eligible to organize with the Teamsters union, where under the Railway Act, they may only organize as a national group.
But the bill also includes several provisions dealing with pilot fatigue and other safety issues that are part of the FAA's "Call to Action", created in part to address concerns raised by the Colgan Air crash. New York Democrat Charles Schumer has proposed language that would increase the minimum time required to serve as a co-pilot for an airline to 1,500 hour from the current 250.
The FAA reauthorization bill was first stalled in the Senate Finance Committee, which insisted its priority was the health care legislation. When it was finally reported out, Corker placed his hold on the bill because of his concerns about the Railway Act provisions. The bill is now cleared for consideration by the full Senate.
 
Re: Senate Passes FAA Reauthorization Bill, 800 hr rule incl

Does it have the "education in lieu of hours" clause still?

Has the house passed their version? I wonder if the 800 will stick or if it will be negotiated down further in the final draft sent to the pres.
 
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So just for clarification...

When the FAA implements the 800hr rule it doesnt take effect till the end of 2011 regardless? Or is that just the absolute latest?
 
Re: Senate Passes FAA Reauthorization Bill, 800 hr rule incl

So just for clarification...

When the FAA implements the 800hr rule it doesnt take effect till the end of 2011 regardless? Or is that just the absolute latest?

I believe that is the latest, and if it doesn't get implemented by then it snaps to 1500 hrs. But I'm not 100% sure.
 
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Thats kinda what I figured but it was this quote that I was really wondering about.

I dunno. But the rule doesn't take effect until the end of next year, regardless.

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Are you reffering to the 800hrs being implemented?
 
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Some of that experience would have to be in multiple-pilot environments and adverse weather, including icing, as well as in other specific conditions.
WTF does this mean?
How does one go about getting and documenting this kind of experience in 800 hrs?

This is crap.
Setting arbitrary time limits is crap.
These families are wasting their time chasing the wrong ball.
 
Re: Senate Passes FAA Reauthorization Bill, 800 hr rule incl

Quick perusal of the net hasn't coughed up any of the latest language.

When I can find some, I'll post it.
 
Re: Senate Passes FAA Reauthorization Bill, 800 hr rule incl

Fortunately, it will screw Gulfstream's little scam.


I doubt it. They will figure out a work around. If you pay a lawyer enough, the'll figure it out. Or, maybe they will still run the program, and require 800TT. Do you really think that a kid fresh out of Riddle, with 800TT instructing in spam cans won't have mom and dad pony up the bucks for "the airline experince?" I'm not sure of the percentage, but you and I both know that some kids go to Riddle on mom and dads dime.
 
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